Do you avoid the bathroom if there is a transwoman?

[PeachyDaisy]

I’m going to an industry event next week and I know there will be a transwoman attending. Should I use the disabled bathroom to avoid an awkward encounter or just continue to use the women’s and hope not to run into them?

I experienced this in my own home when I was with the (very nice) council contractor discussing a leak in the bathroom ceiling.

I suddenly realised that he was standing between me and the only door in our small windowless bathroom. No one else was home.

He had no intention of doing anything other than discussing maintenance issues but once I realised that I was actually at the mercy of this much bigger and stronger person, it was impossible to concentrate.

Do transwomen truly believe we don’t notice them because nobody says anything or challenges them?

Women who have been attacked by such men are certainly aware of it.

Have a little look online for trans women filming themselves in toilets, having a wank, listening to women use the toilet, messing with tampons.

Two (that I know of) trans-identifying male posters who used to post on this board have taken photos of themselves in women's toilets and put the photos on the internet.

Would any real woman do that?

At the end of the day, if even only a handful of women are distressed by the presence of men in female facilities, then no men should be permitted. Not one single woman should have to do without the facilities set up for her sex because a man would quite like to use them too.

I agree, but they are not genuine trans people. They should definitely be in the men’s.

Dhejne et al study. Which found -

The researchers state:
‘male-to-females . . . retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was
true regarding violent crime.’
MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of an offence than female
comparators and 18 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence. The group had
no statistically significant differences from other natal males, for convictions in general or
for violent offending. The group examined were those who committed to surgery, and so
were more tightly defined than a population based solely on self-declaration.

How are you judging who is genuine trans?

How do you distinguish between the two? You have to keep all men out.

Are you saying that transwomen are the only demographic that do not ever under any circumstances commit violent crimes or sex attacks?

Like, I couldn't say Rose West isn't a genuine woman because of the awful crimes she committed, that would be stupid. So, how can you say a transwoman isn't a real transwoman if they commit a horrible crime?

But how is anyone supposed to tell the difference?

But you could say that about the fear males with a trans identity have of using male spaces couldn’t you?

How you determine who is ‘genuine’? What is your definition of ‘genuine’?

Mental isn’t it. Thought we’d moved away from this brain frazzling logic denying nonsense but here we are.

How can one tell?

@ChipsyKing I had someone in to fix the shower. I was in the living room with the door open, and the bathroom door was open, when I heard the man making really weird noises. I was terrified for a moment, calculating where my good knives were. When he left, there was gross pee in the toilet. I have no idea what those noises were. I really feel very uncomfortable with unknown men in my house

Not just an issue with the confidence intervals. But with the terminology used as well. 'Victimisation' was very vague and it wasn't broken down into crimes.

Considering we know from our own CPS guidance that hate crimes in the UK can include misgendering or a spouse rejecting a person's claim to be the opposite sex when they are not the opposite sex, this self selected survey is giving very little information. Yet has been used extensively, even to try to shape policies and law.

That someone called it 'credible' was laughable.

The difference would be someone who is not doing it for sexual gratification or any other reason other feeling that they are female.

Who are you to arbitrate who is and is not trans?

But how would you know that just by looking at them? How do you propose we keep the ones doing it for sexual gratification out, but let the ones who really feel like women in? Not workable, is it?

Anyway, even if they really do feel like women, they aren't, so their feminine gender identity should really have no bearing on which single-sex space they use, sex and gender being different and all that.

Well unless you’re going to invite them into the cubicle with you for a big old piss party, I can’t see the problem.

I must say, I truly admire people that can read others minds. I never thought it was possible but then I never thought it possible that some people were incapable of distinguishing between the only two biological sexes.

Is Trans Reddit ‘down’

I think it's amazing that genuine transwomen somehow become positively incapable of ever committing a crime, something no other group of humans can claim!

I'm sure many blokes do just want to get on quietly with their lives. The problem is that they should not be doing it in women's spaces.

How do you verify what they are feeling?