Do you avoid the bathroom if there is a transwoman?

[PeachyDaisy]

I’m going to an industry event next week and I know there will be a transwoman attending. Should I use the disabled bathroom to avoid an awkward encounter or just continue to use the women’s and hope not to run into them?

It's a very masculine attitude you're showing there.

Can't think why that might be.

I support you in your efforts. I wish you strength.

...but I will ignore you nevertheless

If I were Taztoy I'd be tempted to tell him where to stick his patronising post.

A long history of overriding women’s boundaries does not establish consent; it just establishes a lifetime of entitlement.

You can try to deflect by talking about your age and your personal history all you want, but you cannot change the material facts. A male body possesses male physical capacity and triggers female danger instincts, regardless of how long you have expected women to quietly tolerate it.

Also, realists not caring about reality did make me chuckle. Make your mind up.

It brings up being raped by teenagers in a public toilet when I was a toddler. It's extremely traumatic.

Why don't men obey the law? If they don't, why should women tolerate it?

Men continue to rape as well. Should we just accept that and look at whatever it brings up for us?

The solution to men's illegal behaviour isn't that women learn to cope with it or learn to enable men's harmful behaviour. It's that society needs to figure out how to stop men from harming women.

Safeguarding is built on objective biology, not your personal motivations.

Safeguarding is built on a lot of factors, not only biology. However, my biology is objectively female to the world around me. To ignore my biology by referring to whatever sex realist belief you wish as motivation not only harms me but harms women.

You listed a horrific history of male violence to explain why you refuse to use men's facilities.

I didn't, these are your words and the motivation you created in your mind. I use women's facilities because I am a woman. I will very likely refuse to use men's facilities if people with a trans history are regulated into specific spaces.

Biology is a scientific fact. Not some objective essence that other people perceive.

Governments, in their rush to support TRA, have attempted to rename single sex spaces as safe spaces, without thinking.

Anyone who feels unsafe in the presence of men can used the safe space that is the women space.

They ignore that women need space for dignity as well as safety, and men can feel vulnerable but be perpetrators at the same time.

They also forget that girls are often alone in these spaces. Its laughable that adult men think their feelings of vulnerability are more valid than 8 year old girls.

Obviously nothing to do with those masculine-tinted glasses so common in this group.

To claim that safeguarding is not only to do with biology is an absolute absurdity. The entire reason separate, single-sex spaces were invented was to provide a physical, biological perimeter to protect females from the physical capacity and statistics of the male sex.

You contradict yourself completely by claiming your biology is 'objectively female to the world.' It isn't. No matter what clothing you wear or what social identity you project, human biology is fixed and immutable. A male body remains a male body, and you cannot demand that women ignore their natural safeguarding instincts to validate your social identity.

And your threat that you will 'refuse to use men's facilities' if regulated into specific spaces completely proves my exact point: you expect women to act as your buffer. You admit that male environments feel unsafe or uncomfortable, but your solution is to force biological women to surrender their safety to accommodate yours.

Women are not your shield.

I'm afraid it's your masculinity. As becomes ever more evident as you post. Now you are saying you will most likely break the law.

Use gender neutral facilities or the men's. Where you belong.

@onepostwonder I will very likely refuse to use men's facilities if people with a trans history are regulated into specific spaces.

You can use the gender neutral facilities that are inevitably going to be provided.

'Realist' reflects the belief of the person, not external reality.

How goes acknowledging you are a male harm women? What women are harmed by referring to you as the male that you are? Will we get smited? Will the gender police hunt us down?

The last three or four pages of this thread really illustrate, beyond all reasonable doubt, what women are up against.

It's a demonstration of male entitlement in real time.

To claim that safeguarding has nothing to do with biology is an absolute absurdity.

You are making things up again. I didn't say it had nothing to do with biology.

Realists believe in external reality

That was a typo and was fixed immediately

What a load of old Butler you waffle. Do try harder. Reality says you are a man. If archaeologists dug you up in centuries time, you'd be found as male. Wear what you like, but don't invade spaces designed for women, I.e. not you.

For the 100th time (it feels like) if trans-identified males dont want to share spaces with other males, why on earth dont they fight for their own specil spaces. For trans and their allies. They can even be labelled 'anyone who specifically wants a mixed sex space' so that no one has to be 'outed'.
Dear god, it's not hard.

Special places, that was meant to say!

For the 100th time sadly, it's not about separate spaces, it's about validation amd acceptance from unwilling women. They don't want the hand maidens.