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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Do you avoid the bathroom if there is a transwoman?

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PeachyDaisy · 06/05/2026 02:05

I’m going to an industry event next week and I know there will be a transwoman attending. Should I use the disabled bathroom to avoid an awkward encounter or just continue to use the women’s and hope not to run into them?

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ArabellaScott · 06/05/2026 19:58

Any man using womens spaces on purpose is deliberately and knowingly breaching womens boundaries. It doesn't really matter what his motivations are. He is openly ignoring women's rights to privacy and dignity, which as described by the Supreme Court are enshrined in the Equality Act..

Waitingfordoggo · 06/05/2026 20:02

@Plasticdreams

I do not agree with men masquerading as women and calling themselves trans.

No, not do we. That’s kind of the whole point. You’ve just inadvertently used a phrase that could have (and probably has) been uttered by many a gender critical person 😂

How can we ascertain the difference between someone who calls themselves trans, and someone who is trans? Aren’t they the same thing? I mean, when someone tells you who they are, you should believe them, according to gender ideology.

Or is there perhaps a blood test, a scan or a psychological assessment that can tell us if someone is truly trans? No? Course not, because it’s a social construct isn’t it?

spannasaurus · 06/05/2026 20:03

Notmeagain12 · 06/05/2026 19:55

Not to mention all the teachers/priests/police officers/sports coaches/celebrities etc who use their position of trust to gain access to vulnerable positions.

that’s how most of them do it. Oh he’s a priest, he’s celibate, of course he’s not going to abuse little jimmy….

I was just watching an advert for the new programme about John Worboys - and saw that one of the things that the police said to a victim was do you really think a black cab driver would risk losing his licence by drugging and raping women

Taztoy · 06/05/2026 20:06

Waitingfordoggo · 06/05/2026 20:02

@Plasticdreams

I do not agree with men masquerading as women and calling themselves trans.

No, not do we. That’s kind of the whole point. You’ve just inadvertently used a phrase that could have (and probably has) been uttered by many a gender critical person 😂

How can we ascertain the difference between someone who calls themselves trans, and someone who is trans? Aren’t they the same thing? I mean, when someone tells you who they are, you should believe them, according to gender ideology.

Or is there perhaps a blood test, a scan or a psychological assessment that can tell us if someone is truly trans? No? Course not, because it’s a social construct isn’t it?

It’s their intention and internal cognition that matters apparently.

BettyBooper · 06/05/2026 20:08

One man at a work event apparently feels uncomfortable going in the men's.

This is then justification for potentially every female at that event being made to feel uncomfortable by his presence in their toilets.

Not 'lets educate men, help this man feel safe!'. Nope. 'Budge up women, you bigots'.

And women cheer this shit on. FFS.

Taztoy · 06/05/2026 20:09

BettyBooper · 06/05/2026 20:08

One man at a work event apparently feels uncomfortable going in the men's.

This is then justification for potentially every female at that event being made to feel uncomfortable by his presence in their toilets.

Not 'lets educate men, help this man feel safe!'. Nope. 'Budge up women, you bigots'.

And women cheer this shit on. FFS.

If men are no risk, why can’t he just go in to the men’s? Being a man an all?

Takemytimeandhurryup · 06/05/2026 20:10

PeachyDaisy · 06/05/2026 02:05

I’m going to an industry event next week and I know there will be a transwoman attending. Should I use the disabled bathroom to avoid an awkward encounter or just continue to use the women’s and hope not to run into them?

Erm. He isn't alltto be in there. I'd march him out. This madness has to end

BettyBooper · 06/05/2026 20:11

Taztoy · 06/05/2026 20:09

If men are no risk, why can’t he just go in to the men’s? Being a man an all?

It's the Shrodinger man risk. Very risky and no risk at the same time.

(Sometimes a dress is involved)

BettyBooper · 06/05/2026 20:12

Takemytimeandhurryup · 06/05/2026 20:10

Erm. He isn't alltto be in there. I'd march him out. This madness has to end

She's in Australia where it's very much allowed.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 06/05/2026 20:21

spannasaurus · 06/05/2026 20:03

I was just watching an advert for the new programme about John Worboys - and saw that one of the things that the police said to a victim was do you really think a black cab driver would risk losing his licence by drugging and raping women

That's such a stupid and shocking thing for anyone, let alone the police to say!

Taztoy · 06/05/2026 20:23

Takemytimeandhurryup · 06/05/2026 20:10

Erm. He isn't alltto be in there. I'd march him out. This madness has to end

You can’t in Australia unfortunately.

GenderlessVoid · 06/05/2026 20:26

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 19:08

I would expect the crime statistics would be the same as a woman as they are women.

As I have mentioned many times previously in this thread, that I do not agree with men masquerading as women and calling themselves trans. These men are extremely dangerous and damaging to the trans community, and this thread and particularly you, are prime examples of how confused your average Joe is, who has little understanding or experience in this area.

You seem incredibly angry and that’s justified if it is directed at the right people. However to direct it at everyone including the innocent, is extremely unfair. It’s like saying all men are rapists and hating all men on this basis.

Anyway, I won’t be responding to anymore messages on this thread. I’m saddened by mumsnet and will be taking a break. You can enjoy your echo chamber with your extreme views and hatred. Don’t let it eat you up now..

this thread and particularly you, are prime examples of how confused your average Joe is, who has little understanding or experience in this area.

I am soooo tired of people claiming that those of us who want single sex spaces with no transwomen are ignorant about trans people. I have known transwomen since the 1980s, I've been friends with a few, close acquaintances with many more, and on speaking terms with many more.

Like any other group, some of them are lovely, some are ok, others are utter arseholes. Some of them are pervs and predators, like other men. They don't have signs on their foreheads letting people know they're creeps.

Many of the creeps seem like lovely people. They may seem like lovely people even when you know them well because you aren't someone they creep on, for various reasons. This is like other people as well. I'm reasonably sure that if you have more than a few male friends, some of them have raped or sexually assaulted someone. Do you know which one(s) they are? Do you think they're going to tell you, even if you know them very well?

I was trafficked as a child and some of the pedos were widely admired in the community. Do you think most of their friends knew?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/05/2026 20:26

Waitingforthesunnydays · 06/05/2026 18:53

Do you really think if he was a predator he’d choose to do predatory things at his own work event and risk his career? No. He’d choose to do it in a random public toilet where no one knew him. Mountain out of molehill

Maybe direct that to Dr ‘Beth’ Upton.

NancyBlackettt · 06/05/2026 20:32

ElenOfTheWays · 06/05/2026 19:43

Firstly I'm going to take the liberty of doubting that this is true. But secondly, and more importantly, how can you not see that, if it IS true, it's worse?
So now we are saying that men who are able to convincingly lie about their sex might well be lurking about in women's only spaces and we will never know if they're there or not.

No! Women who NEED single sex spaces to be single sex, for reasons of PTSD from sexual assault or religion as for example, should not have to worry that a man might be in there and they won't even know it.
That's horrifying! How can you not see that?

And ALL women deserve privacy and dignity from men in these situations where they are vulnerable. it's no less horrifying to place ANY woman in that position. It's removing her autonomy and her right to decide.
So no, they don't get to come in if they "pass" . They're still men.

Edited

Exactly. Like serving an ostensibly meat-free meal to a vegetarian but declining to mention it contains beef stock, and thinking it’s not a problem if they don’t notice. It’s morally wrong.

ElenOfTheWays · 06/05/2026 20:37

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 12:30

The difference would be someone who is not doing it for sexual gratification or any other reason other feeling that they are female.

Ah. The Layla Moran doctrine of seeing into trans people's souls.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/05/2026 20:37

NancyBlackettt · 06/05/2026 20:32

Exactly. Like serving an ostensibly meat-free meal to a vegetarian but declining to mention it contains beef stock, and thinking it’s not a problem if they don’t notice. It’s morally wrong.

More like pointing to an obvious as day, big hunk of steak, sticking a bit of carrot/greenery on it and insisting you and everyone else believe it’s not meat but vegetarian and you’re a bigot if you don’t go along.

NancyBlackettt · 06/05/2026 20:52

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/05/2026 20:37

More like pointing to an obvious as day, big hunk of steak, sticking a bit of carrot/greenery on it and insisting you and everyone else believe it’s not meat but vegetarian and you’re a bigot if you don’t go along.

Indeed!!

Taztoy · 06/05/2026 20:53

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/05/2026 20:37

More like pointing to an obvious as day, big hunk of steak, sticking a bit of carrot/greenery on it and insisting you and everyone else believe it’s not meat but vegetarian and you’re a bigot if you don’t go along.

Meat and 2 veg, eh?

ElenOfTheWays · 06/05/2026 20:56

Inmyuggs · 06/05/2026 13:54

Sure are.
Whats the actual problem its a cubicle you smal minded person.
Theyre into men not you

How can anyone in 2026 still believe this bullshit?
Have you been living in a pineapple under the sea for the last ten years?
Not heard of AGP? Male "lesbians" and the whole cotton ceiling thing?
Various assaults on women and girls by men identifying as women IN public toilets (and prisons and shelters etc)? Men posting videos of themselves wanking in the ladies? Men posting pics of themselves strolling around a women's shelter with a hard on?
And on and on and on...
You missed all that somehow did you?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 06/05/2026 21:00

Taztoy · 06/05/2026 20:53

Meat and 2 veg, eh?

Ha ha!

ThatBlackCat · 06/05/2026 21:01

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 11:50

Your first paragraph is wrong on three counts and can be safely disregarded.

Your second misses the point of my comment, which was to question why there should be any "awkward encounter". The only reason I can see would be that the OP harbours prejudice against transpeople and expects there to be issues because of that prejudice.

I was out at a bar on Saturday that is progressive, welcoming, and does not discriminate. I went to the ladies' several times that night and often with transwomen. Had a pee. Nothing happened. The world kept on spinning.

So you have no problems with males entering the ladies, but many of us women do, including rape survivors like me.

There is no reason for a male to 'pee' in the ladies. Not one single one.

ThatBlackCat · 06/05/2026 21:04

catipuss · 06/05/2026 12:02

They might know but not think it applies to them if they have lived all their adult life as a woman, and going into the gents looking like a woman might also end badly. It's illegal it isn't predatory unless they are preying. This is different to the sort of men who pretend to be women just to access female spaces to spy on and possibly sexually assault women, they should be caught and prosecuted.

I don't even know how you intend to enforce the law without a physical sex check at the door (which I'm sure would go down very well), one poor 'butch' woman was beaten up because people thought she was a man going into the female toilets.

Any male in a female only single sex space is automatically a predator.

We enforced it fine for a couple of centuries til the last 10-15 years. Why do you think now, all of a sudden, we can't do it?

It's not about 'butch', it's about male skeletal structure. And it always gives itself away. The gait, the size/height, male jawbone, adams apple, voice, lack of hips, etc. You think it's about 'feminine' looks. No, it's basically good old skeletal structure and voice. That's it.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/05/2026 21:06

Plasticdreams · 06/05/2026 19:08

I would expect the crime statistics would be the same as a woman as they are women.

As I have mentioned many times previously in this thread, that I do not agree with men masquerading as women and calling themselves trans. These men are extremely dangerous and damaging to the trans community, and this thread and particularly you, are prime examples of how confused your average Joe is, who has little understanding or experience in this area.

You seem incredibly angry and that’s justified if it is directed at the right people. However to direct it at everyone including the innocent, is extremely unfair. It’s like saying all men are rapists and hating all men on this basis.

Anyway, I won’t be responding to anymore messages on this thread. I’m saddened by mumsnet and will be taking a break. You can enjoy your echo chamber with your extreme views and hatred. Don’t let it eat you up now..

Why on earth would you expect males in dresses to have the same crime statistics as women? That makes no sense at all. They’re men. Just like any other men.

ElenOfTheWays · 06/05/2026 21:06

Tabla · 06/05/2026 14:26

Depends on the transwoman. I only know one transwoman IRL and I’d be happy to share a ladies bathroom with her. She actually has no penis so I don’t see any issue with her being in the ladies.

Listen to yourself ."she actually has no penis"
You actually said that with a straight face (I'm assuming) and expect it to be taken as a serious point
When has anyone EVER felt the need to make this clarification about a woman?
So... HE has no penis. And...? That makes him automatically safe to be around, does it?
Well I'm convinced

ThatBlackCat · 06/05/2026 21:09

BreezyMoose · 06/05/2026 12:10

You aren't. The topic is manufactured concerns based of ingrained prejudice, not actual concerns based on verifiable fact about this situation.

Females and RAPE SURVIVORS having safety, privacy and dignity away from the male sex to get undressed is not 'manufactured', and neither are these cases:

Do you avoid the bathroom if there is a transwoman?
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