Watch in real time as Trans Reddit turns on one of it's own for suggesting that maybe they are biological men and arguing they are not makes them look unstable.

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1t0t604/trans_girl_says_were_all_biological_males/

I know of two women who fell pregnant and were dismayed, traumatised and shocked - how could this happen now they are men?? Genuinely couldn't compute, but they were otherwise vulnerable and not doing too well.

Trauma of pregnancy and birth then trauma of adoption for the mothers and children.

Absolutely nothing kind came of not telling those women the truth that they could not and would not ever be men. All the professionals who play along with these delusions need sacking.

Some telling patterns between the sexes in that thread. It's only the trans-identified female commenters who are acknowledging that they are female, but all the males insisting they have changed sex.

It's also overwhelmingly male in response and they are attempting to dominate the conversation both in volume of comments and ideologically.

I’m not going to quote @SingleSexSpacesInSchools last post with the ChatGPT summary as it’s too long, but what struck me as I was reading the different points was that the transactivists biggest problem is that they don’t even have a single, coherent model for gender ideology theory.

Being Terven is relatively straightforward because there is a single, coherent model, which over time has been more and more clearly hammered out.

Like the biology of sex itself, there is a firm, underlying reality from which there is no escape. We may understand more and more about how it all works, but nothing at the core changes.

With sex, for example, it was understood and observed and even defined, long before all the discoveries about genetics, DSDs and hormonal details were uncovered. All those discoveries merely increased understanding about how sex and the body works (or fails) but none (whatever activists try to claim) undermines the fundamental principles about gamete production, upon which the concept hangs.

Terfism is the same. The more we see, the greater the understanding, unlike gender ideology theory, which needs to be bent to explain every different argument and where there is no coherent model that fits all the claims.

It’s at times like this, I’m glad to be on this side. If I was on the other, I’d either switch very quickly or drown in cognitive dissonance.

Yes, indeed. Its almost as though males and females have different motivations for 'transitioning '.

It's the difference between functional and dysfunctional thinking.

Functional thinking - there is a problem. Reality is created by facts, so analyse the problem. From this analysis, decide the hypothesis of what's happening. Now design a solution that works from this coherent evidence pathway. New facts or insights may immediately change this pathway and they will be accepted based on objective understanding of the facts. Anyone can replicate this pathway to the solution by reading and understanding the facts.

Dysfunctional thinking: reality is created by emotion, and I want this outcome to happen. Actions and arguments are based on trying to achieve this outcome, so all is to try and make the outcome into the solution to some problem. Any problem. It just needs to try and get people to accept the end point solution. There is no coherence of narrative, the coherence is in the emotion of the wanting/not wanting the chosen outcome. Social manipulation and much linguistic dancing is needed to move people along the pathway and the facts/process is not clear or easily checked. Finding unwanted facts is responded to as a threat or negative behaviour as it risks the desired outcome.

The incoherence and conflict and lack of any logical trackable path is the giveaway of the second way of thinking.

Very good point had not spotted that

She absolutely is a bigot. She suffered a traumatic incident at the hands of a male when she was a kitten. One of the charity's criteria was that she was re-homed with a female owner.

The difference is really stark. She'll happily spend time around my female friends and family, but the moment a male walks in, no matter how gentle I know that male to be, and she immediately tail puffs and runs upstairs.

No doubt she should just re-frame her trauma.

I am not sure she is a big user of single sex spaces.

You do have to watch cats for their political bigotry. One of mine is a full on terf and has been from a kitten. Will only pee in absolute privacy.

My cat gets misgendered all the time because he's fluffy. Funnily enough, he doesn't give a shit

I suspect that your house is a single-sex space.

My cat would make a beeline for male visitors to sit on. She’d sit on any visitor but she definitely preferred the blokes.

@PriOn1

It’s at times like this, I’m glad to be on this side. If I was on the other, I’d either switch very quickly or drown in cognitive dissonance.

I started off on the 'other side', having been superficially educated by trans friends. But right from the start I saw it as a legal fiction only – some people want to cosplay the opposite sex, and society agrees to play along. It seemed harmless as long as they were rare and didn't take the piss.

Once I had reason to look into it more, I discovered that they are taking the piss, and the arguments they raise in defence make no sense.

It didn't have to be like this. An approach based on acknowledged social gender (as opposed to physiological sex) could perhaps have been made to work. If there really are people for whom this is vital to psychological health (as opposed to it just being a weird quasi-religious cult), then they've been incredibly ill-served by the whole business.

When I was a kid we had one cat who was normally rather shy but would always make a beeline for anyone who disliked or was frightened of cats. I think she enjoyed seeing them squirm.

Yes, I can distictly remember an occasion where a cat-fearing friend was doing his best to be still and fade into the background when our male cat entered the room. He (cat) ignored all the cooing and beckoning from everyone else in the room, jumped on the now terrified visitor's knee, curled up and proceeded to do his best 'I'm actually asleep, don't bother me' vibes. A cat-removal service was offered, but the friend didn't want to take us up on it. I think he (the friend) was trying to be brave and not let on how petrified he clearly was. Thankfully, due to it shortly being 'cat feeding time' (AKA a rescue mission) we were able to tempt him (cat) out of the room before too much time had passed, and shut the door so he 'could eat in peace' (AKA not go straight back to the poor bloke's knee).

😄

Random anecdote but needed to share (mainly as humour is what keeps me sane).

You've reminded me of an occasion, during the primary school years, over dinner where one of my children said "the word of the week is flatulent".

After nearly choking on my food with a massive guffaw, I asked how this could be used. The answer made no sense so I asked what flatulent meant. "Soft and fluffy" was the confident answer.

After much head-scratching and discussion of possibilities we realised that the word of the week was flocculant.

But we couldn't resist creating sentences with the alternative version in the context of soft fluffiness. The whole family joined in and my favourite one of all was about our cat: "I love stroking [name] because she's so flatulent".

And on a similarly humorous note, @BellaBlackberry83 I am loving your confession about your bigoted cat after @RapidOnsetGenderCritic forced it out of you 😂

I think they just need a gentle reminder that lying about your biological sex has some disastrous affects. A young male is now in prison and I believe is registered as a sex offender for not being honest about this when it came down to sexual relations.

The thing that always gets me is that these men know so very little about women. If they had the slightest inkling about the female experience of life, they would start to get an unsettling feeling that their ideas may be offensive. But they don’t have any consideration, even from the outside looking in, of what it actually means to be born into this world with female biology and then to grow up in a patriarchal society. It just doesn’t cross their minds that we are real people with real needs, it simply doesn’t compute and they don’t give a shit. They see the shiny desirable surface things - along with our oppression - and warp them into their fantasies that serve only their own desires. They don’t have any sympathy with real women at all. Then they have the audacity to frame us as bigots for fighting back. They are a step in the evolution of toxic masculinity, not women, and they have no self-awareness.

I completely agree @MassiveWordSalad

So does my dog! He doesn’t seem too traumatized.

They see the shiny desirable surface things - along with our oppression - and warp them into their fantasies that serve only their own desires

I did get a bit further with Dr P and she describes falling into this as going from ideation to disorder to psychosis.
I found a bit of research somewhere (again) about whether the principals of cognitive behavioural therapy can induce depression. It landed on 3 things: concentrating on the negative, catastrophising and one I have naturally forgot. Anyway, lo and behold, those things can make one depressed.

Which is all really to say that the power and vulnerability of the human mind when it goes down a rabbit hole unfettered can land one in a very bad place. Dr P also speaks about the speed at which ideas can go around becuase of the internet. We now have a whole lot of younger not Gen X ers who are habituated to it and have no awareness that they have been given a great big box of fireworks, beautiful or deadly, with no intructions for use and are getting badly burnt.

I’ll have to give that a listen.

It’s so wordy and faux-scientific / faux-academic and just so wrong 😂

Actually I think what I’m trying to say is it’s so up itself (and still wrong)!

Mine is like that.

She’s an utter tart.

None of them would last 5 minutes in the real world trying to justify their “science”. They would crumble under the slightest interrogation of their beliefs, it would be cringeworthy. They all just pay themselves on the back there and don’t venture outside of it to avoid having to say their nonsense out loud.

Jeez they actually believe they change sex

i thought it was just something they said to cope with the dysphoria or whatever. I genuinely didn’t realise people were actually so stupid.