Watch in real time as Trans Reddit turns on one of it's own for suggesting that maybe they are biological men and arguing they are not makes them look unstable.

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www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1t0t604/trans_girl_says_were_all_biological_males/

Small furry pointy-eared bigots are forgiven everything and get ear scritches in this house.

I once met a misogynist female parrot. Little toerag bit my nipple. According to her male owner, who thought this was hilarious, she did that to all women. No, he did not forewarn me.

So we can add African Greys to the list of species that can tell male and female humans apart.

You've reminded me of the Boys Will Be Girls song by that chap, about Batman not actually becoming a bat. Just a man drsssed as a bat. I daren't post as last time I did I got deleted.

How lucky that it's easily searchable! I enjoyed it; thank you.

Parrots have also been known to 'deadname' their owners.

Many examples of 'transphobic' animals exist.

Ah the old HRT theory.

A believer who had once read a book about bees so understood science and reproduction and gender stuff explained it to me “It’s like this right, the hormones in the HRT actually like literally REPLACE the hormones you had before and then those hormones that you should have had in the first place like LITERALLY swoop around in your body and eat up all the bad CHROMOSOMES you have and so then your body just replaces them with the GOOD chromosomes so that the sex which the spiteful TERF doctor assigned at birth re assigns itself to assign with your true gender or genders. It’s not rocket science, you just need to trust the REAL science which transphobic big pharma has been lying about for years because they want us to suffer.”

Is it possible that at least some of the men who insist they have "become" women actually believe that what they are, is what all women are like?

Maybe there's a lot of ignorance.

Just a thought.

I know someone who claims "TERFS" have told her she's not a woman as she's had a hysterectomy, apparently she gets funny looks every time she uses the ladies toilets and is indistinguishable from a postoperative TW due to aforementioned hysterectomy.

Only she looks like a woman. A woman who never wears make up or heels, but you'd never mistake her for anything other than a woman. It's very odd.

Sounds like your friend's being groomed by the borg. It probably makes her feel more interesting than a run-of-the-mill woman. Brace yourself for pronoun changes.

Oh. We know that some actually believe they have ‘become’ female. They tell us this quite often on this board. They use all types of false logic.

And yes, they are ignorant because
they do believe female people are just like them.

They do get rather upset when women keep rejecting their demands to be believed they, a man or boy, have become a woman or girl.

The funniest one is the one who claims to have gone through a female puberty, and who got blockers before blockers were even issued to children. He does make me giggle. He’s also a woman cos he’s short and slim. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yes. Sadly, that female puberty concept has been used on MN FWR by men in the past.

The fucked up ignorance of reducing female puberty of growing breasts and getting soft skin. There has been men who have also claimed it made their penises taste like a vagina. And often those men dishonestly deny having male puberty.

Ignorance all the same though.

Here is Thomas describing his ‘female puberty’.

https://x.com/JenniferSey/status/2050409989865718195/video/1?s=46

While I am sorry to hear that Thomas had such despairing mental health, Will Thomas did not go through female puberty. He did go through changes to the male body caused by taking quantities of hormones normally found in female people.

Whoever started this absurdity that this is a female puberty should be deeply ashamed at the misogynistic falsity that they started.

The side effects of taking female quantities of specific hormones is not female puberty. It is only a side effect of inputting substances into your body in quantities that are not naturally produced by your body. The breasts never develop into the interactive feeding system for infants. They remain male breasts. The fat redistribution is a ridiculous claim for ‘female puberty ‘ as is soft skin.

But this misogynistic falsehood that these men have female puberty need to stop being repeated. So too that these men go through anything like fucking menopause.

"Hi I'm a transwoman. I've always been a woman. I have never been male. I have never done anything male. Sex is just cultural."

"So how the fuck do you know you are trans then? And you know when you pissed standing up using your penis and went through male puberty that wasn't actually happening? The penis that you still have and may or may not be planning to have surgery on."

We've heard all this cognitive dissonant nonsense on here multiple times.

And we are supposed to be the cult. Apparently.

'technically us trans folk are neorologically intersex'

There is a fairly large section of society that believe this. Its not just that subreddit. They think DSDs mean a third sex, and they think 'trans' is part of that.

It’s depressing that this has gained so much traction. It really is like an alternative reality has been created.

In Terry Pratchett’s book, Mort, the eponymous hero creates a similar bubble of unreality when he experiences a crush at first sight and saves a new queen that should have died.

For a while, the two separate realities co-exist. Inside the bubble, she is alive, but outside in the real world, she is dead. The real world functions as you would expect with a period of mourning which everyone understands and follows effortlessly. Inside the bubble, there is endless confusion as the courtiers and public try to prepare for a coronation, though they keep feeling as if something is horribly wrong and reverting to feeling as if they should be mourning, not celebrating.

This Reddit bubble feels the same. They’re repeating their “reality” over and over to remind and convince themselves it’s real. Hopefully, as in Mort, the unreality bubble will continue to shrink and more and more people will revert to reality.

Of course, in the Discworld universe, reality can be changed, but I don’t think the, “gender ID is immutable and sex can be changed (while simultaneously it doesn’t really exist)” bubble can be endlessly maintained. A complete return to the dark ages and magical thinking without any scientific grounding is technically unlikely right now. It is alarming how many scientists have swallowed this nonsense without any evidence whatsoever, but that too must surely pass as the challenges to the trans world order continue to mount.

Personally, I want Goody Weatherwax or Nanny Ogg to come and sort out the men driving this.

Ah well. I hope it passes soon as it’s almost unbearable to see how many truly gullible and bad people there are in positions of power and influence. Onwards and upwards.

@bonfireoftheverities I had a notification that you had quoted me, however, your reply is hidden.

Just so you know I'm not ignoring you!

I appreciate that. I had simply posted a link to a thread about transphobic animals on a site which people here often don't refer to directly by name. Now I see why.

Genderists are posting that their 'gender identity' is immutable, and innate. And that biological sex is mutable and impossible to observe or measure objectively.

An internal, feelings based reality is positioned as more cohesive and real than measurable and observable material fact.

It really is a completely flipped model of the world. Entirely solipsist.

But still attempts to retain a world model that includes accepted relationships between people ('passing"). Only as dictated by the individual.

I suppose at root thats the key - the idea that one can control reality and the world from within one's own imagination, manipulating a meat suit and other people by invoking the holy rules of self identification, pronoun observation and flag carrying.

A response to the deep powerlessness of being a mortal animal in a world largely out of one's control. The reality denial.is the point. I can.imagine it's quite seductive to feel one can control reality just by sheer strength of feeling and by hammering words into creating a world that is as one wishes it would be.

Unfortunately its all backwards and the illusion only holds so long as one furiously keeps shoring it up with words and stories and invocation, by railing at the out-group and feeding the myth hat one is set apart from the rest of the.world.

My word I read all 150 odd comments again.

Possibly this is the saddest one

"I describe these people as "fighting to be last in line for the gas chambers," because they've accepted the gas chambers existance, and are simply trying to avoid them as long as possible."

I suppose the base failure of understanding is that the word Sex always means either set up to make small gametes (Male) and set up to make large gametes (Female) and that outwardly changing some secondary characteristics that follow on from Male/Female does not change the base classification.

I must say until I fell into this word, I did just say chromosomes as the answer (I know 99.5% of the time they are)

Oh and that everyone wants them in gas chambers. Which I really find to be incredibly offensive to the millions who were.

ChatGPT is becoming better and better at summarising long threads, this goes us the summary but not the mad phrasing:

• “Biological male/female” is framed as hostile language. Many commenters argue the phrase is a “TERF” or transphobic dog whistle, not neutral description.
• Several argue that sex is not immutable. The main claim is that sex is a bundle of traits, not a single fixed thing, and that hormones, surgery, anatomy, blood values, fat distribution, breasts, genitals, and secondary sex characteristics can change.
• Chromosomes are repeatedly downplayed. Commenters argue chromosomes are only one sex trait, often unknown to the person, not usually relevant in ordinary life, and not sufficient on their own to define someone’s sex.
• HRT is presented as changing biology. Multiple commenters say hormones alter cells, genetic expression, blood profiles, endocrine status, fat distribution, breasts, skin, and medical risk profiles, therefore transition is biologically meaningful.
• Some argue medical transition means “changing sex”, not changing gender. A recurring line is: gender identity was always there, while transition changes the body to align with it. This is why some prefer the older term “transsexual”.
• Others push back and say sex does not change. A minority view in the thread says a trans man can still be female, or a trans woman male, while their gender has changed. They frame birth sex as relevant mainly in medical contexts.
• That minority view is heavily criticised. Other users call it scientifically wrong, rhetorically harmful, and useful to transphobes because it appears to concede the central “sex is fixed” argument.
• There is disagreement over self-description versus generalisation. Some say someone can call themselves “biologically male/female” if they want, but they must not impose that description on all trans people.
• The “sex/gender distinction” is criticised. Several commenters argue the common “sex is biological, gender is identity” defence has backfired by conceding sex to opponents. They say it strips out the bodily reality of transition.
• The Genderbread-style model is attacked. Some say it became popular with cis allies, is vague, over-simplified, and encouraged people to treat gender as identity while ignoring physical transition.
• Some argue sex categories are socially constructed or linguistically unstable. One line of argument says sex categories are generalisations, not fixed natural boxes, and that different languages do not always distinguish sex and gender.
• Intersex variation is used as a counterexample to binary sex. Commenters refer to chromosomal variation, XY females, XX males, chimerism, and sex-development variation to argue that “biological male/female” is over-simple.
• Some commenters claim trans people are “neurologically intersex”. That is asserted as a way of saying trans identity has a biological basis.
• Appeasement is condemned. The trans woman in the original post is called a “pick-me”, “bootlicker”, “quisling”, or “useful idiot”, with commenters arguing that agreeing with opponents will not protect her.
• “This is why transphobes hate us” is rejected. Commenters argue transphobes already hate trans people, and that blaming other trans people for anti-trans hostility is a failed respectability-politics argument.
• The thread contains anxiety about law and politics. One commenter says terms once seen as hostile are now being used by government and courts; another references the UK Supreme Court judgment and says “biological” was not clearly defined there.
• There is a medical-context argument. Some argue that for medical treatment, current biology after transition matters more than birth sex. Others reply that internal reproductive anatomy and original sexed development still matter.
• There is an argument about future reproductive technology. One commenter claims future medicine may one day alter reproductive systems more completely, and says gametes alone should not determine sex.
• There is a factual correction about foetal development. One commenter wrongly suggests every foetus starts female/XX; another corrects that embryos are chromosomally XX or XY from conception, though later comments note other chromosomal combinations exist.
• Some commenters say the whole debate is a trap. One view is that arguing about whether trans people “really” change sex accepts a hostile framing and creates a threshold for who counts as trans.

Overall: the dominant thread position is “trans people who medically transition do change biological sex, because sex is a cluster of mutable traits”. The minority position is “sex remains birth sex, but that should not invalidate gender identity”. The thread mostly treats that minority position as politically dangerous and scientifically naive.

Yes, the examples of animals correctly knowing the sex of people, even after extreme body modification is interesting. Also the comments about dogs being noticibly unsettled by people who are trying to 'hide' their sex (for want of a better term).

Exactly my thoughts whenever I see this stupid statement. Do they really believe that we are all told biological lies up until GCSEs but we get the actual truth from A level onwards? Honestly, these people are off their rockers. How do they function in life? Oh wait…

SSSIS, thanks for that summary. However much generated by AI, it's definitely useful to see it all in one post.

To me, it reads definitely as desperation. The whole thing is morphing under its own weight, and, instead of being united, they are starting to turn on each other. It's the fantasists clinging to their non-reality by their (perfectly-manicured) fingernails.

If, as is starting to seem likely, young children are not buying into the genderborg (translation: being indoctrinated) as much as the previous generation, there will be fewer of them in future to prop up the fantasy bubble. Many of the older fantasists must be all too keenly aware of that fact, hence the shifting, redefining, and jostling for position.

I just started listening to the latest Inciteful Sisters podcast with Dr P and she is talking about this, she classes the stage when people believe they have really changed sex as a form of psychosis.
I've not listened past it, it's near the beginning but I just thought must let the wims know in case anyone want to listen, and I know we know her real name now but I think she'll always be Dr P to me.
I'm going to listen to the rest later, head thumping too much right now.