Watch in real time as Trans Reddit turns on one of it's own for suggesting that maybe they are biological men and arguing they are not makes them look unstable.

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www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1t0t604/trans_girl_says_were_all_biological_males/

Because firstly, they then use that identity to access female single sex provisions, not only prisons, refuges, changing rooms and toilets, but also sports, awards and representational roles.

They demand that their subjective reality which doesn't reflect material reality at all, is treated as if that subjective reality is materially real. For everyone. So therefore others are expected to change their language as well as any other accommodations for that individual's identity.

Their demand to have a female gender identity is also based on misogyny and sexism. As many of us have tried to explain to you and others on this very thread.

Considering the above, why shouldn't women be upset that a man demands that he has a female gender identity and that some people then try to shame women into agreeing to support his belief?

A female gender identity where men wear swirly skirts, have long hair and paint their nails? Meh - they can have what they like. Those are narrow outdated stereotypes.

A female gender identity where these men truly believe that they are women, have the right to single sex spaces and that women must acquiesce and budge up? They can take their painted nails and fuck right off.

There’s so much sexist bias in this post.

Is there a strong correlation between women who are “soft on trans issues” and “can’t work my own TV properly”?

Maybe I should ask that the other way around: is your manicure a good proxy for your stand on GC issues?

Because they believe that 'gender identity' should give them access to female spaces.
Do I care if Mike calls himself Mandy? No.
Do I care if he grows his hair or puts on a skirt? No.
Do I care if I am expected to share the female changing room at the gym with him? Yes.
Do I care if I'm told by a man in a dress that he is more of a woman than me because I'm wearing trousers? Also yes.

If we make being a woman about a check list of feminine stereotypes then women like me are pushed out of our own sex. But the actual reality of that sex, female puberty, periods, pregnancy, menopause remain. I can't opt of of them just like the men who chose to adopt a female persona can't opt into them.

As long as they know gender identity does not change their sex and they are still male, and only entitled to stuff designated as 'for males', and as long as women are aware that cross-dressing can be a sex kink that escalates, no problem.

So if gender isn't a real thing then why are you upset about men having a female gender identity ?

I object to men assuming that gender stereotypes are what makes a woman. A man who pops on a frock and some lipstick says that makes him a woman. How offensive! Blackface isn't acceptable any more so why should womanface be any better?

And that's before we get to the aspect of men assuming their 'gender identity' allows them into women-only spaces. Those spaces are not there as as safe-space for gender-non-conforming men or as validation for those who call themselves women, they are for biological women and no-one else. They are for biological women's dignity, safety and fairness, whether it's loos, prisons, or sports categories.

I wasn't raised not to know how to do technical things I just find it hard to do and I'm not dumb I studied sciences for 3 years

That's your socialisation then, if you haven't been raised to do something. Is a man who also hasn't been raised to do technical things also a woman? Is a woman who has been raised to do technical things actually a man? Why is the act of being taught technological things the preserve more of one sex that the other?

If it's your natural forte or otherwise, that's just your natural attributes. I can't draw to save my life but I can pick up languages quickly. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.

I work with mostly men, many on the practical side of the business can't 'do' tech. They get us in the office to do the most basic IT stuff for them. They are men. They didn't grow up with tech and don't find it easy. My MD is in his late 50s and can't do anything on the PC he hasn't specifically been shown how to do. He is clever man and definitely not a woman but tech is not his thing.

Law in the UK has been demonstrated to be on the wrong side of humanity many times in the past. I have been living my life, as was expected of me when I began transition in the 80s. I've been assigned into and included within women's spaces and groups longer than I've been an adult. I am not going to suddenly upend my life, which would require considerable effort to convince anyone a size 6 5'4 middle-aged mother is a man, trying to adhere to a law with the expectation of yet another UK government-issued persecution apology issued twenty years later.

Sex realists share a cultural value that declares all trans women without exception are no different than men. I have never been a man. The people around me would have difficulty trying to think of me as trans, never mind a man. This isn't a 'me' issue, it's a 'you' issue.

Every time sex realists talk about trans people, it seems to always be in the worst possible light. They will reference sex being a fact for one small moment and then spend twenty-times longer listing sex realist proof and imposed motivations demonstrating how trans women are evil and monstrous.

Sex realists ignore the historic symmetry between trans men and trans women. We were changing our lives for the better and moving on as a new sex. There was no nefarious patriarchal project to invade women. Culturally trans men and trans women were identical, just moving in opposite directions. Sex realists have spent the last ten years constructing a web of conspiracy specifically targeting trans women. The effort has temporarily found some powerful ears, as most anti-minority culture wars tend to do.

Sex realists believe stories about a 6' bloke-looking person with a beard wearing a baby doll dress and fishnets resonate with the general public. Maybe they do. For every prison-onset trans murderer placed prominently by sex realists, there is at least one person like me, a woman with a family, career and a life I wouldn't trade with anyone.

I have no GRC. As far as I know there is no avenue for me to even request a GRC. I have no status or documents that need altering.

Assume this is addressed to me
I'm not in the least upset if a man wants to pretend he has an entirely made up "gender identity" because he likes wearing dresses and makeup. It's when he declares that this "gender identity" is actually his sex and he's now female and should be allowed to access female single sex spaces and services.
When "transwoman" becomes "woman" in his head because "Transwomen are women" that's where I draw the line. He's not a woman because he's using outdated sex based stereotypes and considers himself "feminine" for doing so and is therefore a woman, because that's all it takes to be a woman. It's offensive that he would think so.
If he wants to be transvestite then he needs to own that. They're offensive in their own way of course, but at least that's honest.

Law in the UK has been demonstrated to be on the wrong side of humanity many times in the past.

Is upholding women's rights to their single sex spaces on the wrong side of humanity? Interesting perspective.

As always, it's all about you.

Size 6? So you are American?

Or is that your shoe size?

Are great you are back with us. If you could answer the very simple question of what makes you woman if not biology please? You reject the adult human female definition of a woman so please share what a woman is that includes most adult female people and some adult male people. What is the common factor that you and I share that means we should be in the same circle of a Venn diagram?

Oh, it's yourself @onepostwonder Always a pleasure to see your male entitlement leap out from the page - it serves as a reminder to all that this is in every single word and action of TW.

"I am not going to suddenly upend my life, which would require considerable effort to convince anyone a size 6 5'4 middle-aged mother is a man, trying to adhere to a law with the expectation of yet another UK government-issued persecution apology issued twenty years later."

It doesn't matter to the law how much effort it takes for you to undo the decades that you have spent convincing others that you are female when you are a male person. That you have spent decades not disclosing your sex to people who might have needed to know what your sex category was to be able to fully consent to the situations you created through your presence is not an ethical issue for the law to support you on.

That was your own choice to not understand and recognise and act appropriately in light of female people's needs where consent to your being included was needed.

And it is completely irrelevant whether any person believes you are a 'size 6 5'4 middle-aged mother' or not or whether it is just you who believes this. You are male and that is something that female people need to know when sex matters.

Isn't the common factor something like everyone in society thinks you're a woman and everyone in society thinks OPW is a woman, therefore you are both women?
Or something.

Is upholding women's rights to their single sex spaces on the wrong side of humanity?

Of course it is. It doesn't centre the men.

It is very relevant that someone who has been presenting as UK-based suddenly outs himself as wearing US-sized clothing.

It shatters any semblance of reality the tale has had.

I don't think that's necessarily the case - size 6 is a UK clothes size too. OPW is small and thin don't forget, it's what makes a woman a woman (apparently)

Where does the size line fall though? I'm 6" taller than onepost does that make me a man?

Yeah I think it does Griselda. I am tall and robustly built so I am definitely a man, plus I do all the technical stuff and DIY in our house and very little cooking so I guess the evidence is conclusive. Man.

Oh right, flat-chested and with narrow hips? Possible I suppose, though very unusual in middle-age..

My UK size is 6. My shoe size is 5.5/6.

Gosh I'd best call the tabloids and see which will pay most for my 'I'm a man who gave birth' story. Hopefully enough to pay for new car 🤞

"Sex is... comprised of various factors such as hormones, chromosomes, primary/secondary sex characteristics"

The fact that their "sex characteristics" are literally manmade and their hormones are synthetic is totally lost on them. I can't decide if they're stupid or wilfully deluded

We’re not. They can have any gender identity they want. They just cannot be women or use female facilities. What is difficult about that. They are feminine men. Awesome. They can tick the dresses and lippy in the men’s.