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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Watch in real time as Trans Reddit turns on one of it's own for suggesting that maybe they are biological men and arguing they are not makes them look unstable.

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 01/05/2026 14:56

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1t0t604/trans_girl_says_were_all_biological_males/

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MassiveWordSalad · 06/05/2026 09:34

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 08:30

I think this video is useful here. It is
another video that analyses the arguments used that we so often see. Often they are in the same post or in subsequent posts.

x.com/hothingsgirlsay/status/2051375505362784316?s=46

This is a masterclass in persuasion layering:
– Presuppositions disguised as questions
– Emotional stacking (past harm → present threat → urgency)
– Moral framing that makes disagreement feel unethical
– And a critical factor bypass at the end
“Even if you don’t understand…”
That line removes the need for thinking and replaces it with alignment.
That’s not accidental. That’s design.

It covers things like the emotional manipulation we see.

The ‘if you don’t understand our identities, that is ok, you just need to support us any way you can’.
This speech she is analysing even uses moral arguments to support groups and people financially through ‘giving back’ or making purchase choices. And it is an interesting one because it uses the sacrifice argument we sometimes see. The ‘it is hard to make ethical decisions about supporting this group but it is worth it’.

The swerve that ‘well-informed people need to see us as people, not as political ideologue or ideological’ was a great to see this male speaker try to us.

He then swivels into the historic reference. The false leverage of historical groups opressed for being same sex attracted that actually have nothing to do with transgender identities. And then ties it to this ‘new wave of trans hate that seeks to erase’ trans people.

The next segment tries to then use the ‘you know us’ plea which reassures people that people with transgender identities are in everyone’s lives in an attempt to reassure people. MJ Murphy points this out as Proximity anchoringas a part of the emotional manipulation. Well, this one we know and what is strange is the number of times though, that activist posters accuse us of not knowing any trans people. It seems to always be an exaggeration - they are everywhere and never cause any concern or we have never met them.

I think she raises some good points here.

The most significant point though was the call to ‘bypass critical thinking’. That bit about ‘if you don’t understand us, that is ok, just support us’ but understanding the emotional manipulation is important.

And this one that we see a lot at the moment, “trans people have always existed”. As the video explains, this is an appeal to permanence - because something has existed, it is unquestionable. However, we all know that the current trans ideology is new and the attempts to reframe historical figures (eg Joan of Arc) and cultural frameworks (eg the Hijra) are lame attempts to retrofit history.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/05/2026 09:34

Ok. Thank you for.

It’s still bat shit crazy, of course, but, thank you for letting me know.
Lest i make a fool of myself.

DeanElderberry · 06/05/2026 09:50

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/05/2026 09:34

Ok. Thank you for.

It’s still bat shit crazy, of course, but, thank you for letting me know.
Lest i make a fool of myself.

You'd have to work very hard to get a high 'fool' score on this thread.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/05/2026 09:51

That’s true enough! 😂

TempestTost · 06/05/2026 10:01

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 08:30

I think this video is useful here. It is
another video that analyses the arguments used that we so often see. Often they are in the same post or in subsequent posts.

x.com/hothingsgirlsay/status/2051375505362784316?s=46

This is a masterclass in persuasion layering:
– Presuppositions disguised as questions
– Emotional stacking (past harm → present threat → urgency)
– Moral framing that makes disagreement feel unethical
– And a critical factor bypass at the end
“Even if you don’t understand…”
That line removes the need for thinking and replaces it with alignment.
That’s not accidental. That’s design.

It covers things like the emotional manipulation we see.

The ‘if you don’t understand our identities, that is ok, you just need to support us any way you can’.
This speech she is analysing even uses moral arguments to support groups and people financially through ‘giving back’ or making purchase choices. And it is an interesting one because it uses the sacrifice argument we sometimes see. The ‘it is hard to make ethical decisions about supporting this group but it is worth it’.

The swerve that ‘well-informed people need to see us as people, not as political ideologue or ideological’ was a great to see this male speaker try to us.

He then swivels into the historic reference. The false leverage of historical groups opressed for being same sex attracted that actually have nothing to do with transgender identities. And then ties it to this ‘new wave of trans hate that seeks to erase’ trans people.

The next segment tries to then use the ‘you know us’ plea which reassures people that people with transgender identities are in everyone’s lives in an attempt to reassure people. MJ Murphy points this out as Proximity anchoringas a part of the emotional manipulation. Well, this one we know and what is strange is the number of times though, that activist posters accuse us of not knowing any trans people. It seems to always be an exaggeration - they are everywhere and never cause any concern or we have never met them.

I think she raises some good points here.

The most significant point though was the call to ‘bypass critical thinking’. That bit about ‘if you don’t understand us, that is ok, just support us’ but understanding the emotional manipulation is important.

I want to say though, that this kind of argumentation seems to be endemic in all kinds of activist communities. Not just with trash.

I see it with my own argumentative daughter, this seems to be what she has been taught, and I have to push her yo think about things more rigorously.

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 10:24

TempestTost · 06/05/2026 10:01

I want to say though, that this kind of argumentation seems to be endemic in all kinds of activist communities. Not just with trash.

I see it with my own argumentative daughter, this seems to be what she has been taught, and I have to push her yo think about things more rigorously.

I agree. It is always interesting to evaluate what is being said and why. I think that our children have been taught to use these arguments.

I used to analyse this type of messaging for marketing. It is sad that we have to deconstruct so much messaging in our lives.

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 10:29

MassiveWordSalad · 06/05/2026 09:34

And this one that we see a lot at the moment, “trans people have always existed”. As the video explains, this is an appeal to permanence - because something has existed, it is unquestionable. However, we all know that the current trans ideology is new and the attempts to reframe historical figures (eg Joan of Arc) and cultural frameworks (eg the Hijra) are lame attempts to retrofit history.

It is not just an appeal to permanence, it is also plain false, as you, and I and many other on this thread, know.

One group of people have leveraged another group's oppression for that claim of permanence. Of course, there may have been people with gender dysphoria in those groups, but they were groups that were formed due to homophobic oppression or historic individuals who were fighting oppressing sexism.

There is so much dishonesty at the foundation of the arguments used to support a group's demand that their subjective reality that is not material reality, is treated as if that subjective reality is material reality.

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 10:31

DeanElderberry · 06/05/2026 09:30

To be fair, I think it was denaming genitals, not deadnaming them. I think that's a description of my refusing to confer the word vagina on anything that is not a part of a female reproductive system.

The concept of deadnaming, born of male privileged status, is a conversation for another day and thread.

You are right, thank you.

ThatFairy · 06/05/2026 10:33

there we disagree. I do not think the nhs should pay for unnecessary body modifications and/or plastic surgery

They don't pay for necessary surgery. I had an enamel defect growing up and have to pay a lot of money for implants, that I didn't have for years and just had to live with loads of gaps in my mouth for years. The denture plates didn't fit and hurt my mouth.

It ruined my life

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 10:34

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 08:19

Deadnaming genitals?

Accurately discussing and describing body parts is not transphobic. Discussing the need to accurately describe the surgeries that some people choose to undergo and to reject any inaccurate referencing, is not transphobic. it is rejecting a false and forced teaming done through false descriptions .

However, describing these discussions as transphobic is an emotionally manipulative tactic with the intention of silencing and controlling discussion. It is a tactic that simply adds to the falsity of the demands that an individual’s subjective reality is to be treated as if it is material reality when it is not material reality. It just adds to the gaslighting to coerce compliance to that a subjective reality, a subjective reality that is not materially real.

Edited

Sorry onepost for the typo and sorry everyone who replicated my typo.

However, I think what I said actually works with 'deadnaming' as much as with 'denaming'.

I think 'deadnaming genitals' will be something that will keep popping up though.... When men get very upset when people remind them that their inverted penis sewn as a cavity into their groin is still a penis and not a vagina in any way.

DeanElderberry · 06/05/2026 10:37

Your demeaning denaming of my 'genitals' is as bad as deadnaming them; I demand you demonstrate regret.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/05/2026 10:38

ThatFairy · 06/05/2026 10:33

there we disagree. I do not think the nhs should pay for unnecessary body modifications and/or plastic surgery

They don't pay for necessary surgery. I had an enamel defect growing up and have to pay a lot of money for implants, that I didn't have for years and just had to live with loads of gaps in my mouth for years. The denture plates didn't fit and hurt my mouth.

It ruined my life

Edited

I’m so sorry to hear that. I feel for you.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/05/2026 10:39

DeanElderberry · 06/05/2026 10:37

Your demeaning denaming of my 'genitals' is as bad as deadnaming them; I demand you demonstrate regret.

Edited

We could sing that to the tune of ‘Modern Major General’.

DeanElderberry · 06/05/2026 10:40

Has anyone come across hospitals making people get their teeth sorted before they have joint replacement surgery?

StellaAndCrow · 06/05/2026 10:45

Taztoy · 06/05/2026 07:00

Also @onepostwonder you know that women do not consent to men in their single sex spaces. In law, in the U.K., you are a man. In the U.K., in law, you are not allowed to enter a women’s single sex spaces Why do you not respect the law, much less their wishes? I have said before and I will say again. Vitiating consent where it has a legal basis is a dangerous road to go down. It’s a slippery slope. Where else do you believe you have the right to over ride another’s consent?

Yes, and, as every, WHY would someone want to go into a space where it's so clear that they're not wanted?

That's the most un-womanly part about it.

ThatFairy · 06/05/2026 10:54

@ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews thank you. I didn't mean to derail the thread sorry everyone

Anyway I'm finally just about getting the money together now, so I'm really happy and looking forward to having a better life soon :)

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 06/05/2026 10:56

All the very best to you for this new chapter in your life.

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 11:01

DeanElderberry · 06/05/2026 10:40

Has anyone come across hospitals making people get their teeth sorted before they have joint replacement surgery?

I remember my mum having to get her teeth checked and sorted before undergoing major surgery. It limited the risk of infection from the teeth travelling to the operation site.

Helleofabore · 06/05/2026 11:03

ThatFairy · 06/05/2026 10:54

@ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews thank you. I didn't mean to derail the thread sorry everyone

Anyway I'm finally just about getting the money together now, so I'm really happy and looking forward to having a better life soon :)

Good luck.

TWETMIRF · 06/05/2026 11:42

Most people have an innie bellybutton but some people have outies.

Most men have an outie penis, some men like onepost have an innie penis.

borntobequiet · 06/05/2026 11:55

DeanElderberry · 06/05/2026 10:40

Has anyone come across hospitals making people get their teeth sorted before they have joint replacement surgery?

I’ve been advised to do so.It’s a good idea to eliminate all possible sources of infection, as well as not having loose teeth when having an anaesthetic.

Wearenotborg · 06/05/2026 12:23

ThatFairy · 06/05/2026 10:54

@ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews thank you. I didn't mean to derail the thread sorry everyone

Anyway I'm finally just about getting the money together now, so I'm really happy and looking forward to having a better life soon :)

So glad to hear it! Onward and upwards 🌻🌻

SidewaysOtter · 06/05/2026 12:23

I thought it said "deadnaming gerbils". Wondered if I'd wandered into the Bluestocking by mistake...

Boiledbeetle · 06/05/2026 12:34

SidewaysOtter · 06/05/2026 12:23

I thought it said "deadnaming gerbils". Wondered if I'd wandered into the Bluestocking by mistake...

Easy mistake to make!

And one of the Glorias gets really snippy if you call her by her actual name Gastrointestinal by mistake!

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 06/05/2026 12:44

DeanElderberry · 06/05/2026 10:40

Has anyone come across hospitals making people get their teeth sorted before they have joint replacement surgery?

Yes. Also for heart surgery. There's a correlation between decayed teeth and surgeries in other parts of the body becoming infected. The bacteria from the teeth circulate in small numbers in the bloodstream and set up shop in the surgical site.

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