Watch in real time as Trans Reddit turns on one of it's own for suggesting that maybe they are biological men and arguing they are not makes them look unstable.

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www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1t0t604/trans_girl_says_were_all_biological_males/

You must have missed the post where I said it was an outpatient clinic, with one or two scheduled inpatient periods a year for testing and such. I was able to stop going at 12. Much like I decided Sunday School wasn't for me at 12. Yet you have posted probably a half dozen times about being locked in a clinic by my parents. Are you now going to start posting about me being locked in a Sunday School until 12?

I was reading adult books at 11. Via a library. As people used to do.

I note you are uncharacteristically silent about puberty blockers. Any thoughts on that?

No. Just bored now. Have you thought about keeping a spreadsheet with your backstory? It maybe useful in keeping track?

What is the point, to the trans person, of these body modifications?

do you think the nhs should pay for them?

do you think they give you the right to enter a single sex space of the opposite sex of that which you were born?

What is the point, to the trans person, of these body modifications?

It's none of your business. I had my own reasons for the procedure I had. I presume others have their own reasons for whichever procedures they undergo.

do you think the nhs should pay for them?

Yes. It is a medical condition.

do you think they give you the right to enter a single sex space of the opposite sex of that which you were born?

I am a woman. I belong in women's space. No rights were conferred upon me by my vagina.

I think a lot of the disinformation and discourse on Reddit is caused by some very young, vulnerable people who are lonely and maybe don’t have the real life relationships that are usual, often with other issues such as autism or depression, being encouraged and manipulated by older adults for their own purposes. I mean, without “trans” children, the whole house of cards falls down doesn’t it? Without them, it’s basically a lot of adult males demanding access to female spaces.

thats the reason TRA fight so hard to get children access to the drugs and surgeries, stating children know their own minds. It’s one of their best tactics.

My exs group used to “target” forums for children with other medical conditions such as anxiety, autism or depression and convince them their problems could all be solved if they transitioned. They used to call it “hatching an egg”.

My exs group used to “target” forums for children with other medical conditions such as anxiety, autism or depression and convince them their problems could all be solved if they transitioned. They used to call it “hatching an egg”.

I learned about that egg stuff a few months ago. It's vile and anyone targeting children with it need to be locked away.

This thread is highlighting, once again, the futility of discussion / debate without shared definitions.

TRAs objective is to deny phenomena that highlight fundamental differences between females and males, including with trans identities. They gained ground using this technique during the no debate era but it is working against them now. They would secure/ maintain support from people who are strongly motivated by ideas about acceptance and inclusion if they took the line, ‘I know I’m male. My body modifications are to alleviate the distress my male body causes. Being excluded from female only provision increases my distress, please accept me as a visitor’.

The average person on the street, if exposed to Onepost’s framing of himself will think he is deluded.

This obsession with othering and denaming trans persons' genitals is transphobic.

A surgically created cavity and a roll of forearm skin are not genitals.

It’s the same as the old’ I didn’t misgender you, you misgendered yourself and I refused to play along.’

Some trans men undergo phalloplasty.
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Some trans women undergo vaginoplasty.

There, fixed that for you.

You are right, what consenting adults do with their genitals is their own business. But when men start saying that a surgically constructed cavity is a vagina that turns them into a woman and gives them the same rights as women, then it becomes our business.

What is the point, to the trans person, of these body modifications?
It's none of your business. I had my own reasons for the procedure I had. I presume others have their own reasons for whichever procedures they undergo.

Fair, but then that goes to the fact that I can never know what goes on in anyone else’s head. And I’ve been told bee that it’s the inclination of the trans person and their inclination that matters so how do I assess that?

do you think the nhs should pay for them?
Yes. It is a medical condition.

there we disagree. I do not think the nhs should pay for unnecessary body modifications and/or plastic surgery.

do you think they give you the right to enter a single sex space of the opposite sex of that which you were born?
I am a woman. I belong in women's space. No rights were conferred upon me by my vagina.

But you are not a woman. You are a trans woman? and everyone should obey the law. You have rights as a transgender woman that i do not have. Those rights do not give you the right to override the rights conferred on me by virtue of my sex. (Not gender)

Leaving Mengele out of it, I want to remind people that the first surgical vaginoplasty was performed by Erwin Gohrbandt.

The same Erwin Gohrbandt who less than a decade later was working in Dachau, performing experiments on prisoners. He was a Nazi.

There is a thread of dehumanisation running through the history of 'transing' bodies. Our bodies are us.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Gohrbandt

What I don’t understand is… if genitals don’t determine gender, why the TRA are so keen on encouraging children to undergo these extreme body modifications? I mean, if 95% of transpeople do not get these surgeries, but are still claiming to be the opposite sex, why is it so imperative that children get these surgeries?

it all comes back to the TRA using children as Trojan horses to enable men access to female spaces. It’s also why they convince children that everyone disagreeing with the TRA are evil and out to exterminate them. They feed on these children’s illnesses and fears for their own ends. That is why women are so often the subject of their rage. Women can see what these men are up to and most refuse to comply.
It is an evil movement, pushed on by mainly middle aged men and their handmaidens.

I don't think he worked at Dachau, but he wrote up the work of some men who did.

Also @onepostwonder you know that women do not consent to men in their single sex spaces. In law, in the U.K., you are a man. In the U.K., in law, you are not allowed to enter a women’s single sex spaces Why do you not respect the law, much less their wishes? I have said before and I will say again. Vitiating consent where it has a legal basis is a dangerous road to go down. It’s a slippery slope. Where else do you believe you have the right to over ride another’s consent?

I am a woman. I belong in women's spaces

@onepostwonder

A woman is an adult human female. You are the first two parts of this definition but not the third. Please give us the definition of a woman that includes most adult human females and some adult human males please. If biology doesn't determine sex what does? If you are so certain that you are a woman it should be a piece of cake to tell us what a woman is. We can all do it but you dispute our definition so let's have it. What do you and I share to put us in the same category?

Deadnaming genitals?

Accurately discussing and describing body parts is not transphobic. Discussing the need to accurately describe the surgeries that some people choose to undergo and to reject any inaccurate referencing, is not transphobic. it is rejecting a false and forced teaming done through false descriptions .

However, describing these discussions as transphobic is an emotionally manipulative tactic with the intention of silencing and controlling discussion. It is a tactic that simply adds to the falsity of the demands that an individual’s subjective reality is to be treated as if it is material reality when it is not material reality. It just adds to the gaslighting to coerce compliance to that a subjective reality, a subjective reality that is not materially real.

Adding to the above, that the use of the terms obsessing and othering is also part of that gaslighting. And it is part of the DARVO dynamic.

But onepost, we have pointed out the DARVO dynamic to you that you use before.

I think this video is useful here. It is
another video that analyses the arguments used that we so often see. Often they are in the same post or in subsequent posts.

x.com/hothingsgirlsay/status/2051375505362784316?s=46

“This is a masterclass in persuasion layering:
– Presuppositions disguised as questions
– Emotional stacking (past harm → present threat → urgency)
– Moral framing that makes disagreement feel unethical
– And a critical factor bypass at the end
“Even if you don’t understand…”
That line removes the need for thinking and replaces it with alignment.
That’s not accidental. That’s design.”

It covers things like the emotional manipulation we see.

The ‘if you don’t understand our identities, that is ok, you just need to support us any way you can’.
This speech she is analysing even uses moral arguments to support groups and people financially through ‘giving back’ or making purchase choices. And it is an interesting one because it uses the sacrifice argument we sometimes see. The ‘it is hard to make ethical decisions about supporting this group but it is worth it’.

The swerve that ‘well-informed people need to see us as people, not as political ideologue or ideological’ was a great to see this male speaker try to us.

He then swivels into the historic reference. The false leverage of historical groups opressed for being same sex attracted that actually have nothing to do with transgender identities. And then ties it to this ‘new wave of trans hate that seeks to erase’ trans people.

The next segment tries to then use the ‘you know us’ plea which reassures people that people with transgender identities are in everyone’s lives in an attempt to reassure people. MJ Murphy points this out as Proximity anchoringas a part of the emotional manipulation. Well, this one we know and what is strange is the number of times though, that activist posters accuse us of not knowing any trans people. It seems to always be an exaggeration - they are everywhere and never cause any concern or we have never met them.

I think she raises some good points here.

The most significant point though was the call to ‘bypass critical thinking’. That bit about ‘if you don’t understand us, that is ok, just support us’ but understanding the emotional manipulation is important.

That whole sub is a real insight into the mental illness, delusional thinking and narcissism that drives their 'community'. I always think they are a community in the same way as Squid Game contestants are a 'community'.

“I am a woman. I belong in women's space. No rights were conferred upon me by my vagina”

READER’S NOTE:

Here we have two sentences that if written by a female person would be accurate information. However, when written by a male person highlight those false descriptions.

No male person is a ‘woman’ and no male person has a ‘vagina’.

Yet a male person using these terms for himself is giving false information while demanding that it is considered true.

(further note: while it is true that sex based rights are not conferred with the status of having a vagina specifically, they are conferred on having the body formation that produces large gametes (regardless of whether that process happens or not) which typically means the person has or has had a vagina. But of course, a cavity sewn into a groin in a male person is not a vagina.

Only someone born with a penis could think that a vagina is anything like an inverted penis. It is the most cartoonishly obvious example of a permanent male mindset. May as well walk around with a crudely scrawled spunking cock above your head instead of a thought bubble.

What's wrong with an inverted penis only being good for shagging? This is the attitude of a teenage boy. Sex: yay! Periods: eww, don't want to think about that.

Just when i thought i had heard everything, ‘dead-naming genitals’ is pulled out of the bag!

Literally out of the baw bag!

😱 did someone just call Frances Richard? The horror.

It is our business if its done on the NHS and people have had their lives ruined because they point this out where its entirely appropriate - as when talking about healthcare and females only spaces about female health related issue being invaded by fantacists who want to be 'included'.

To be fair, I think it was denaming genitals, not deadnaming them. I think that's a description of my refusing to confer the word vagina on anything that is not a part of a female reproductive system.

The concept of deadnaming, born of male privileged status, is a conversation for another day and thread.