Watch in real time as Trans Reddit turns on one of it's own for suggesting that maybe they are biological men and arguing they are not makes them look unstable.

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www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1t0t604/trans_girl_says_were_all_biological_males/

I'm really puzzled: how do you work out that the verifiable scientific evidence about human sex being binary and immutable 'has no representation in reality?'
There are about 8 billion representations of the reality of sex in the world, any one of them - yes, even you - can be ascertained to be either a man or a woman.

I do not consent to anyone who was born male in a women’s single sex space that im in. Any trans person in the U.K. now knows they shouldn’t be in the opposite sex space.
So no trans men in men’s spaces either.

lts that simple for me.

💡! So @onepostwonder's convoluted replies have all been to say "Male and female are meaningless distinctions"?

OK 😂 Safe to ignore.

I didn't say being a sex realist doesn't have representation in reality. Clearly you are all here, present and actively representing in reality.

I said that belief has no representation in reality. Because that belief is not shared by the world around me. I know that visually identifiable trans people are treated 'differently' than non-trans people, because I have eyes and ears and personally experienced it during my transition. I know women are treated differently than men, because I have 40 years of adult life as a culturally assigned woman and I've seen how men are treated in comparison.

But @onepostwonder claims to have changed sex. If male and female are meaningless distinctions, how would he know?

Are my questions unclear?

Maybe onepost can have a healthy breakfast with milk fresh from the bull and eggs from the cockerel.

There are facts that can be determined in a laboratory.

There are facts that are present, socially and culturally out in the world amongst other people.

I was referring to the second context.

Would you use a single-sex space that was designated for females, as in a changing room or hospital ward?

Oh yes. I mean, is it only in humans that male and female are so nebulous and wobbly wobbly, or is that true of all mammals? How do farmers know which sheep to cover with the ram?

I know many women who have strong concerns about trans men being suddenly invited by sex realists into the women's toilet. Are their concerns invalid?

So I don’t want a man in a female single sex space.

would you consider that includes you?

So you’re saying @onepostwonder that sex is not real, but gender, which is based on the stereotypes assigned by sex is? How can that be? How do humans know which sex gender stereotypes belongs to if sex is so nebulous?

I've been assigned to both, so yes.

Why would females not be welcome in female spaces?

onepostwonder I've lived enough life to understand social and cultural reality is vastly different than the vision sex realists wish to impose upon the world.

You demonstrate in your posts the limitations of your understanding of social and cultural reality, but I don't fault you for those limitations -you do not have the life experiences that only a woman can have, so whatever understanding you have is very different from a woman's.

You can guess or imagine or reckon or deduce or whatever you like about what it is like to be a woman, but it will never be direct experience.

Sex realists, as the name implies, rely on the best up-to-date scientific understanding of human sex and sexuality, so it's not a 'vision', and we don't have to 'impose' anything.

I thought I had already answered that. But I will state it again, as you seem to have either forgotten or missed it.

transmen are women and as such should use the facilities that align with their sex, not their gender.

I appreciate some people have concerns, and they should campaign for whatever resolution they feel would work for them.

in the meantime, everyone should obey the law as clarified in FWS.

I don’t consent to that.

would you ignore my lack of consent?

I was going along with this until the final para.

Adding my refusal of consent to Taztoy's.

And mine.

What does gender even mean?

how do I tell what gender someone is inside their own head? I’ll never know.

sex I can tell.

gender, no idea.

how do I tell?

And mine.

men are women

'one' post

?wonder?

...you do not have the life experiences that only a woman can have, so whatever understanding you have is very different from a woman's.

The relevance of this to the application of public spaces is solely culturally derived. In the sex realist argument, sex realist beliefs about biology are driving proposed changes to the cultural value system. No one is arguing that sex realist beliefs in sex don't have relevance in some situations. It's the imposition of the beliefs beyond those situations.

You are creating the definition of 'woman' and reifying significance to its meaning. Whether or not I or anyone else meet this expectation is entirely up to you.