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Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

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nicepotoftea · 28/04/2026 16:48

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/04/2026 16:38

This isn't a compromise. It's a social declaration based on an narrow definition of sex reliant upon a person's moment of conception rather than the physical and social reality of life.

It's not a declaration or a narrow definition, it's a reality based observation, you are physically whatever sex your biology makes you.

There is no such thing a 'social reality of life', if someone choses to pretend to be something they are not, it's not a reality it's a delusion .

This isn't a compromise. It's a social declaration based on an narrow definition of sex reliant upon a person's moment of conception rather than the physical and social reality of life.

Oh to be able to pretend that one's sex only affected 'the social reality of life'. Difficult to think of a more privileged perspective.

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 16:48

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 28/04/2026 16:10

The solution is an annual land tax on the value your land would have if:

  • it were "unimproved", so no buildings on it;
  • everything around it, like roads, sewers, gas mains, schools, were there; and
  • there's planning consent for buildings or other improvements if those exist in reality.

So the value of my land for land tax purposes would be for an empty plot on my existing estate with permission to build a house just like mine.

Why?

  1. Land is an uncreated resource that cannot be exported or hidden in a shell company in a tax haven.
  2. Everyone who "owns" land as freehold does so because someone stole it from the commons at swordpoint and has sold their stolen goods on ever since. We should pay rent to the commons for the land we occupy.

It's the fairest tax, the hardest tax to evade, and it forces efficient land use. The only practical barrier is the need to abolish or reform leaseholding.

Edited

And farmland?

Waitwhat23 · 28/04/2026 16:50

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onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 16:55

DialSquare · 28/04/2026 13:33

Ironically, if we‘d all been born 150 years ago, most of us wouldn’t have been able to vote. But OP would have.

And I would have been 'culled' as a child. Thankfully we're modern and beyond all of that now.

Taztoy · 28/04/2026 17:01

@HazelLemur I’ve tried to debate with trans women and their supporters on here and not really got anywhere.

I totally accept that you exist.

I don’t have any kind of an issue at all with people choosing to wear whatever clothes they want t.

Im interested to hear how you would define a “real woman”?

DontShoutInMyEarholeTracey · 28/04/2026 17:03

Ain’t got time to read that waffle.
Men are Men. Women are Women.
The End!

Boiledbeetle · 28/04/2026 17:07

I already did. The fact she bought an entire warehouse full of Dreamies with it is an issue you'll need to discuss with your owner cat.

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Well that explains the bloody electric blanket-warmed Iron Recliner.
Should have known.
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I was going to use my share to pay my mortgage off.
Can you send it over please, **? If I’m not in you can leave it with Kitty.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/04/2026 17:07

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 16:55

And I would have been 'culled' as a child. Thankfully we're modern and beyond all of that now.

If you lived in Vulgaria maybe. 🤯

Wearenotborg · 28/04/2026 17:10

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GriseldaandMike · 28/04/2026 17:15

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 14:03

The GC cult is very evidently so. That has been clearly demonstrated across this thread.

And you will continue to demonstrate it on other threads, or in your actual life (see SSSIS) where you feel society isn't conforming to your ideology.

You are, as I have always maintained, a cult. And anyone outside the cult must be attacked.

Do you really expect us to belive that the thoughts, feelings and needs of teen aged neuro diverse, same sex attracted girls trying to escape unwanted sexual attenion from men are exactly the same as as those of middle aged, heteo sexual men who get a thrill from wearing womens clothes or are you as ever forgetting about the actual females?

ChequerToRed · 28/04/2026 17:16

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 16:00

If you have considered male violence against women and girls, and still conclude that males should enter female intimate spaces, then you have decided female privacy and consent matter less.

I can answer this from my experience. It's not going to be compatible with sex realist beliefs, but this will be unsurprising.

Trans women are not men. Yes, some trans women appear and act very 'manly' for values of 'man.' I've spent some time trying to understand what is different today vs when I transitioned—to try to understand what is behind the sex realist belief of 'gender ideology.' In simple terms, it's likely something around society's accommodation of visible and out trans people and public inclusion and acceptance of visually trans lives in culture rather than those of us who checked all the boxes for social integration and 'made sense.'

Deciding and/or believing trans women are women means they are women (no, not for all purposes and circumstances, but in general, socially. No woman is identical to all other women in all circumstances.) Including trans women as women does not diminish women. It does not displace women. Women do not require consent to be amongst women. Deciding to label all trans women men does not alter the reality that many trans women go through life as women. However, many more trans women remain identifiable as trans women (or, 'men' as you say).

Believing trans women are women does not mean female privacy and consent matter less. It means all women are women and deserve privacy and dignity.

Women cannot assess which males are safe by appearance, identity or assertion. That is exactly why single-sex spaces exist.

No we can't. I can't determine who is absolutely vile or dangerous while I move about my day. But we are all forced to be in proximity to strangers in many circumstances and environments. We have laws and cultural ideals that seem to do a mostly okay job at regulating behaviour, but are not perfect.

Single-sex spaces don't exist because of male appearance, identity or assertion. I think this is a convenient assessment, because it aligns with gender critical beliefs, but males are at most half of the story.

Secondly, I believe most people can determine whether a visible trans person is either in or completed transition. The PC of gender reassignment protects those in and around the process of reassignment of sex. It doesn't protect a belief in sex reassignment, it specifically addresses a person engaged within a process ("any part of a process undertaken under medical supervision for the purpose of reassigning a person’s sex by changing physiological or other characteristics of sex.")

Sex realist assignments of types and motivations upon trans people don't make a difference. Under sex realist beliefs, life is binary. Everything else is meaningless.

I have major feelings about the motivations of some people. I can't control who i interact with other than avoid them when they make themselves obvious.

The compromise is simple: female spaces for females, male spaces for males, and single-user provision for anyone who needs it.

This isn't a compromise. It's a social declaration based on an narrow definition of sex reliant upon a person's moment of conception rather than the physical and social reality of life.

What is not a compromise is making women absorb male risk, then calling it kindness.

Defining trans women as 'male risk' is a choice.

Edited

‘I think this is quite a convenient assessment.’

Said without a shred of irony.
Yes, everything in this screed is all very convenient. For you.
Funny, that.

NotAtMyAge · 28/04/2026 17:17

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 11:29

"I have not written “vexatious letters”. I have raised lawful, serious safeguarding and sex-based rights concerns about girls’ privacy, dignity and safety."

Ahhh, so you are that person. Suspected as much. 😉

Yes, the kind of person who is genuinely concerned for the needs of others, particularly the young and vulnerable, whose rights are threatened. Unlike you, whose only concern appears to be the demand that we all affirm you as what you unequivocally are not - a woman - regardless of the damage that does to our rights. You sound more male with every post.

BusyAzureTraybake · 28/04/2026 17:18

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 15:03

There are other billionaires..

Sorry, I've been away watching paint dry so I haven't caught up, but that absolutely made me laugh out loud. 😂

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 17:23

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 16:55

And I would have been 'culled' as a child. Thankfully we're modern and beyond all of that now.

#baffled

MrsColinRobinson · 28/04/2026 17:24

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 16:55

And I would have been 'culled' as a child. Thankfully we're modern and beyond all of that now.

Do you have anything factual to add?

We're not here to become bit part players in your fantasy world.

This is just utter rubbish and a rather pathetic attempt at playing victim.

nicepotoftea · 28/04/2026 17:25

ChequerToRed · 28/04/2026 17:16

‘I think this is quite a convenient assessment.’

Said without a shred of irony.
Yes, everything in this screed is all very convenient. For you.
Funny, that.

I think the message is

"I am a man and can only understand sex in terms of status and sexual attraction. The reality of actually being a woman is completely alien to me".

quantumbutterfly · 28/04/2026 17:25

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 16:55

And I would have been 'culled' as a child. Thankfully we're modern and beyond all of that now.

Female babies were culled in China more recently than that.

www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

MrsColinRobinson · 28/04/2026 17:29

quantumbutterfly · 28/04/2026 17:25

Female babies were culled in China more recently than that.

www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html

Ffs don't tell that or he'll be identifying as a Chinese girl and playing that victim card 🙃

Wearenotborg · 28/04/2026 17:29

MrsColinRobinson · 28/04/2026 17:24

Do you have anything factual to add?

We're not here to become bit part players in your fantasy world.

This is just utter rubbish and a rather pathetic attempt at playing victim.

No to be fair apparently his parents did lock him in a clinic from age 6 till 11 and he had lots of drugs. Apparently they were giving him puberty blockers in the 80s even though they weren’t used until the 90s, he had a magical puberty which changed his sex and all in all, poor dude has been through a lot. I think his only outlet is to come on here and talk to us as I think we’re the closest thing to female interaction he has.

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 17:31

Chickadeeinme · 28/04/2026 16:08

@onepostwonder Single-sex spaces don't exist because of male appearance, identity or assertion. I think this is a convenient assessment, because it aligns with gender critical beliefs, but males are at most half of the story.

This is clearly not true. When we know that males commit more than 95% of all sex offences, and we know that of the transwomen in prison more than half of them are there for sex-related offences, the need of women for safeguarding against male offences is very obviously far far more than half the story.

...the need of women for safeguarding against male offences is very obviously far far more than half the story.

Agreed.

The prison data may be accurate within the prison system, but the inference that prison populations reflect the wider general population are misdirected. Aren't those with GRCs removed from the 'male' data? How many of the 'males' found Gender Jesus upon arrest or conviction? I believe those data are just as relevant if these numbers are being held up to reflect all trans women.

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 17:32

Helleofabore · 28/04/2026 16:10

"Defining trans women as 'male risk' is a choice."

If you mean correctly analysing that risk that all male people, including every male person who rejects that they are male, is a safeguarding choice, then yes, I guess it is. It is safeguarding necessity.

Considering that it is also the basis for single sex provisions under the EA2010, I guess it could be considered a 'legal necessity' too.

but sure... it is your choice to ignore all that.

I'm not ignoring it, I am including it within a context.

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 17:33

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 16:15

You’ve fallen at the first hurdle. Transwomen are men, so literally nothing else you say after that has any meaning at all.

This would be sex realist belief. We agree that we disagree. Easy peasy.

Wearenotborg · 28/04/2026 17:34

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 17:32

I'm not ignoring it, I am including it within a context.

So if males with a trans identity are male, why should they not be included when safeguarding against males? Are they some kind of special caste?

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 17:34

onepostwonder · 28/04/2026 17:33

This would be sex realist belief. We agree that we disagree. Easy peasy.

It’s not a belief, it’s a biological fact and no amount of word salad will change that. Easy peasy.

Wearenotborg · 28/04/2026 17:36

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 17:34

It’s not a belief, it’s a biological fact and no amount of word salad will change that. Easy peasy.

No one has ever managed to explain why a male who has a trans identity is in any way different from a male without a trans identity. Both are male. Neither belong in any female spaces.

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