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Scope is punishing women for wrongthink - Whole choir cancelled from London Marathon because of personal GC views of one person

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singthing · 24/04/2026 16:18

Choir dropped from London Marathon over founder’s ‘gender-critical views’
Charity cancels singers who raise runners’ spirits owing to Janet Murray’s opposition to gender ideology

A choir has been dropped from the London Marathon over a member’s gender-critical views.

The Singing Striders are frequently booked to stand on the sidelines and raise the spirits of runners, and the group had been invited to support the upcoming marathon by Scope, a leading disability charity.

However, the amateur ensemble was dropped because a single member had been critical of gender ideology.

This is the view that gender is defined by self-identification, rather than biological sex, meaning that those born male can become women.

Janet Murray, the choir founder, was informed that her opposition to this worldview went against Scope’s “commitment to diversity and inclusion”.

Charity bosses also told her “we are concerned about your views because we don’t agree with your views”.

As a writer and journalist, Murray has publicly expressed concerns about the inclusion of biological males in women’s sports and organisations such as Girlguiding.

It is understood that the decision to cancel the choir, which was to perform for no fee, came after Scope received two anonymous complaints about these opinions.

The charity has since defended its stance as it is “committed to the equality and inclusion of trans and non-binary disabled people”.

Janet Murray, the writer
Murray says it is ironic that Scope should bring politics into a space that was simply about supporting charity runners Credit: Belinda Jiao
Ms Murray told The Telegraph: “When cancel culture finds its way into something as joyful as a choir singing for marathon runners, it’s a sobering reminder of how insidious it can be.

“My choir exists to lift people up, helping them through the hardest moments as they raise money for charity. I’ve run the London Marathon myself, and I know how much that support means.”

The writer said that while she did have gender-critical views, they did not enter into her work with the choir, adding: “I leave politics at home when I’m with the choir – and so does everyone else.

“Ironically, it’s Scope that’s brought politics into a space that was simply about supporting charity runners – effectively silencing a choir in the process.”

The cancellation came despite the Singing Striders performing for Scope at past marathons without incident.

The London Marathon has several “cheer points” along the route to boost the morale of runners, and Scope has two dedicated spaces this year, at Tower Hill and Woolwich

The London Marathon will take place on Sunday
The London Marathon will take place on Sunday Credit: Karwai Tang/WireImage
The Singing Striders were set to raise a chorus at the mile-three cheer point in Woolwich, performing from 8.30am to 1pm, with minor expenses for travel covered by Scope.

The choir had practised for months ahead of the marathon, and members were understood to be surprised and disappointed by the decision, and hopeful that an organisation might come forward to offer them a space at the event on Sunday.

Critics of gender ideology have been subjected to cancellation since the issue of transgender identities emerged into public consciousness, with figures such as Graham Linehan, the Father Ted co-writer, being an early victim of censoriousness.

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In 2024, the debate shifted again when the Cass review cautioned against rushing children into life-changing gender transitions, particularly with the use of potentially harmful puberty blockers.

Scope has defended its decision to cancel the marathon choir, stating that the move “reflects where we stand as an organisation and our commitment to our colleagues, volunteers and supporters”.

John McLachlan, Scope’s chief executive, said: “Concerns were raised to us about the views of the founder and director of Singing Striders, a choir who were due to volunteer to perform for us at the London Marathon. After consideration, we took the decision to not have their choir perform on our behalf.

“We understand and respect the right for people to hold different views about inclusion. At Scope, we are committed to the equality and inclusion of trans and non-binary disabled people. We have trans and non-binary colleagues, volunteers and supporters.

“Scope is committed to equality and inclusion. Our EDI policy sets out our commitment to be an inclusive employer and inclusive charity.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/24/choir-dropped-london-marathon-founder-gender-critical-views/
https://archive.ph/LXP0N

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/24/choir-dropped-london-marathon-founder-gender-critical-views

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CassOle · 26/04/2026 16:52

solerolover · 26/04/2026 16:44

Glovedhandscecilia right? So that account was also AidaP? If so, that's even more disturbing and offensive, seeing as they repeatedly talked about being a black woman, often bringing it up as a way to shut down conversation.

... and everything falls into place.

ETA - I did wonder myself if that poster (Gloved) was geniune or not.

DontStopMe · 26/04/2026 16:54

Looks like they had a great day.

https://nitter.net/jan_murray/status/2048403860129996892

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 26/04/2026 17:21

DontStopMe · 26/04/2026 16:54

Thanks for sharing, they do look like they enjoyed themselves, it's the best response to nasty, narrow minded, killjoys, well done them. 😁🥳

I also heard on the news that 2 men passed the finish line in under 2 hrs, record breaking, perhaps their singing helped put some speed into their trainers. 😂

BusyAzureTraybake · 26/04/2026 17:24

DontStopMe · 26/04/2026 16:54

Fantastic news. So glad they got a group together. I hope Julia Long did some dancing😁

KnottyAuty · 26/04/2026 19:09

solerolover · 26/04/2026 16:44

Glovedhandscecilia right? So that account was also AidaP? If so, that's even more disturbing and offensive, seeing as they repeatedly talked about being a black woman, often bringing it up as a way to shut down conversation.

oh i dont “know” anything. Dont quote me - i just had strong suspicions and Ive not seen that poster since - but then again Ive not been on here much this week.

what I would say is that there seem to be posters who come on posting an oblique reference to one comment amd then drone on and on amd on, getting increasingly TRA as they go on. Frequently they post things that just don’t sound like women - well not any I know anyway - difficult to explain but they sound like they have “book knowledge” rather than practical real life experience. And when they get queries the answers look like something pasted from ChatGPT…but maybe im just paranoid 🤣

ScrollingLeaves · 26/04/2026 20:31

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/04/2026 11:17

Yes and when you dig down further you can see that Tom was extremely influential www.civilservice.lgbt/team/tom-seddon

^Prior to joining the Civil Service, I taught at a primary school in West Yorkshire.
In all of my roles, I have been involved in a range of LGBT+ networks, and I was previously Chair of Teach First’s LGBT+ Network^

Can you imagine anything worse for children than this? It just shows how extensively transactivism has been injected into schools. Trans grooming of vulnerable children writ large within education.

SirChenjins · 26/04/2026 21:09

KnottyAuty · 26/04/2026 14:14

It was Gloved something or other that set off my spidey senses. And they were accusing others of having “sock puppet” accounts which didnt exactly sound like any middle aged women I know…

Oh yes, I remember the many posts from GHC - that would make perfect sense.

Ariana12 · 26/04/2026 22:05

Lovelyview · 25/04/2026 19:07

Good luck! Does Scope have a position on disabled women's right to single sex care?

Just coming on to say good luck too!

JulesJules · 27/04/2026 07:33

soupycustard · 25/04/2026 20:26

Am no longer on X but there was a very impressive young woman with a disability who used to tweet about the need to feel confident in same sex intimate care. So many people are so ageist as well as ableist that there's often an assumption that 'carer' means a carer for the elderly, and so it was incredibly powerful to have a young woman trying to maintain her independence as well as her dignity. Wish I could remember her twitterX name.

Henrietta Freeman? (@Hen10Freeman on X)

singthing · 27/04/2026 12:33

KnottyAuty · 26/04/2026 19:09

oh i dont “know” anything. Dont quote me - i just had strong suspicions and Ive not seen that poster since - but then again Ive not been on here much this week.

what I would say is that there seem to be posters who come on posting an oblique reference to one comment amd then drone on and on amd on, getting increasingly TRA as they go on. Frequently they post things that just don’t sound like women - well not any I know anyway - difficult to explain but they sound like they have “book knowledge” rather than practical real life experience. And when they get queries the answers look like something pasted from ChatGPT…but maybe im just paranoid 🤣

"Frequently they post things that just don’t sound like women"

Like, "I have a certificate that says I am a woman"? 😆

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SirChenjins · 27/04/2026 12:58

singthing · 27/04/2026 12:33

"Frequently they post things that just don’t sound like women"

Like, "I have a certificate that says I am a woman"? 😆

That one 😂

And then you see photos of them and it's clear why they need that certificate...

DrBlackbird · 27/04/2026 17:56

KnottyAuty · 26/04/2026 09:18

I think he was banned as AidaP after the rolling pin discovery and then I strongly suspected he was posting under another account so I asked MN to check. It would seem I guessed right as the 2nd account has also vanished. Mumsnet is a place for open debate but that doesn’t give someone the right to shout everyone down with endless pointless arguments. It’s was verbal and not pejorative but the volume of posting was harassing imo

Wait, what? Glovehandcelia was AidaP? But in one post, Glovehandcelia said they were a black woman. So not only appropriating womanhood but appropriating another race? They were a prolific poster.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 27/04/2026 18:02

Archive version to evade the paywall.

archive.ph/AC1kP

DrBlackbird · 27/04/2026 18:06

It was this thread GHC was extremely vocal and, I thought, had intimated that they were black:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5518795-still-asleep-at-the-wheel-a-further-examination-of-gender-and-safeguarding-in-schools-policy-exchange?reply=151789037

EmpressaurusKitty · 27/04/2026 18:08

DrBlackbird · 27/04/2026 18:06

I thought that too. GHC did always seem a bit off though.

KnottyAuty · 27/04/2026 18:09

DrBlackbird · 27/04/2026 17:56

Wait, what? Glovehandcelia was AidaP? But in one post, Glovehandcelia said they were a black woman. So not only appropriating womanhood but appropriating another race? They were a prolific poster.

GHC seemed to say a lot of things that didn't ring true. They were posting proflically from around 5 to 20/21 April then disappeared. The volume of posts were problematic so they may have been sanctioned for that completely independent of the baking buddy?

DeadBug · 27/04/2026 18:10

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/04/2026 20:12

IdaGlossop · 27/04/2026 17:41

https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/04/27/how-the-trans-taliban-tried-to-silence-my-choir/ Janet Murray's article for Spiked. SCOPE have shot themselves in the foot.

Thanks for the link, I'm glad she got to sing, and they didn't get to take that off her.

I'm never going to have a good word to say about SCOPE again.

"As one choir member put it: ‘They don’t care about us. They just want to destroy you. We’re just collateral damage.’"

Some friend. 😤

IwantToRetire · 30/04/2026 02:26

Charity restores London Marathon choir dropped over founder’s gender-critical views

The choir was in a race against time on Saturday night to appear at the marathon because only one member was prepared to do so following the charity’s attack on them.

https://archive.is/xGi9c from https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/25/charity-reinstates-marathon-choir/

Does anyone now if, even if only the lone member, the choir was there.

Worth reading the article in full to see the impact.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/25/charity-reinstates-marathon-choir

MyFellowScroller · 30/04/2026 06:15

Do we all consider the matter closed now?
Are people reinstating direct debits etc for donations?
I sent an email complaining when I heard about the cancelling. I feel that SCOPE should be required to answer more publicly, to demonstrate to other groups and societies the risks of aligning themselves with extremists. Can we assume that it was one of their Trustees who led them into this situation, he used the well known charity into a situation that embarrassed and damaged them.
Has SCOPE suffered enough? In a way I don't think they have. It would be nice if they asked for the resignation of the Trustee in question. But that won't happen will it.

SCOPEismisogynistic · 30/04/2026 06:41

MyFellowScroller · 30/04/2026 06:15

Do we all consider the matter closed now?
Are people reinstating direct debits etc for donations?
I sent an email complaining when I heard about the cancelling. I feel that SCOPE should be required to answer more publicly, to demonstrate to other groups and societies the risks of aligning themselves with extremists. Can we assume that it was one of their Trustees who led them into this situation, he used the well known charity into a situation that embarrassed and damaged them.
Has SCOPE suffered enough? In a way I don't think they have. It would be nice if they asked for the resignation of the Trustee in question. But that won't happen will it.

Scope took legal advice because Janet was backed by the Free Speech Union and presumably their lawyers wrote advising them
their behaviour was illegal.

However their climb down said while legally she she can hold these views they’re divisive and polarised and we continue to stand by your trans and bi-rainbow unicorn crew.

So still misogynistic and focused on facilitating men in dresses at all costs.

No response to any of my comms. I really wouldn’t trust them unless they support views that only biological women are women - because denying disabled women the right to same sex care is one of the most divisive things a disabled charity could do.

AreYouSureAskedNaomi · 30/04/2026 08:34

I don't think it's about getting individuals to resign but about the organisation understanding how wrong their initial position was, and why

As @SCOPEismisogynistic says:

denying disabled women the right to same sex care is one of the most divisive things a disabled charity could do

RoyalCorgi · 30/04/2026 09:24

However their climb down said while legally she she can hold these views they’re divisive and polarised and we continue to stand by your trans and bi-rainbow unicorn crew.

They had also described her views as "alienating" in a previous statement. That is clearly damaging to her reputation and arguably libellous.

The way Scope behaved, from the initial decision to ban the group through every subsequent statement, was wrong both legally and, more important, morally. They have demonstrated that they are a charity that does not care about the right of women to the dignity and privacy afforded by same-sex spaces and social care - a right that is clearly stated in law and upheld by the Supreme Court.

BusyAzureTraybake · 30/04/2026 09:34

I will never donate to Scope again nor visit their charity shops. There are several people on X saying that, if you apply for a charity sector job, your social media will be trawled for wrongthink. I imagine that all the big charities are captured by the omnicause now.
It's local charities all the way for me. You can see exactly what they are up to and the people running them live and are known locally.