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Scope is punishing women for wrongthink - Whole choir cancelled from London Marathon because of personal GC views of one person

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singthing · 24/04/2026 16:18

Choir dropped from London Marathon over founder’s ‘gender-critical views’
Charity cancels singers who raise runners’ spirits owing to Janet Murray’s opposition to gender ideology

A choir has been dropped from the London Marathon over a member’s gender-critical views.

The Singing Striders are frequently booked to stand on the sidelines and raise the spirits of runners, and the group had been invited to support the upcoming marathon by Scope, a leading disability charity.

However, the amateur ensemble was dropped because a single member had been critical of gender ideology.

This is the view that gender is defined by self-identification, rather than biological sex, meaning that those born male can become women.

Janet Murray, the choir founder, was informed that her opposition to this worldview went against Scope’s “commitment to diversity and inclusion”.

Charity bosses also told her “we are concerned about your views because we don’t agree with your views”.

As a writer and journalist, Murray has publicly expressed concerns about the inclusion of biological males in women’s sports and organisations such as Girlguiding.

It is understood that the decision to cancel the choir, which was to perform for no fee, came after Scope received two anonymous complaints about these opinions.

The charity has since defended its stance as it is “committed to the equality and inclusion of trans and non-binary disabled people”.

Janet Murray, the writer
Murray says it is ironic that Scope should bring politics into a space that was simply about supporting charity runners Credit: Belinda Jiao
Ms Murray told The Telegraph: “When cancel culture finds its way into something as joyful as a choir singing for marathon runners, it’s a sobering reminder of how insidious it can be.

“My choir exists to lift people up, helping them through the hardest moments as they raise money for charity. I’ve run the London Marathon myself, and I know how much that support means.”

The writer said that while she did have gender-critical views, they did not enter into her work with the choir, adding: “I leave politics at home when I’m with the choir – and so does everyone else.

“Ironically, it’s Scope that’s brought politics into a space that was simply about supporting charity runners – effectively silencing a choir in the process.”

The cancellation came despite the Singing Striders performing for Scope at past marathons without incident.

The London Marathon has several “cheer points” along the route to boost the morale of runners, and Scope has two dedicated spaces this year, at Tower Hill and Woolwich

The London Marathon will take place on Sunday
The London Marathon will take place on Sunday Credit: Karwai Tang/WireImage
The Singing Striders were set to raise a chorus at the mile-three cheer point in Woolwich, performing from 8.30am to 1pm, with minor expenses for travel covered by Scope.

The choir had practised for months ahead of the marathon, and members were understood to be surprised and disappointed by the decision, and hopeful that an organisation might come forward to offer them a space at the event on Sunday.

Critics of gender ideology have been subjected to cancellation since the issue of transgender identities emerged into public consciousness, with figures such as Graham Linehan, the Father Ted co-writer, being an early victim of censoriousness.

Graham Linehan on the trans debate and new Father Ted material
Read more
In 2024, the debate shifted again when the Cass review cautioned against rushing children into life-changing gender transitions, particularly with the use of potentially harmful puberty blockers.

Scope has defended its decision to cancel the marathon choir, stating that the move “reflects where we stand as an organisation and our commitment to our colleagues, volunteers and supporters”.

John McLachlan, Scope’s chief executive, said: “Concerns were raised to us about the views of the founder and director of Singing Striders, a choir who were due to volunteer to perform for us at the London Marathon. After consideration, we took the decision to not have their choir perform on our behalf.

“We understand and respect the right for people to hold different views about inclusion. At Scope, we are committed to the equality and inclusion of trans and non-binary disabled people. We have trans and non-binary colleagues, volunteers and supporters.

“Scope is committed to equality and inclusion. Our EDI policy sets out our commitment to be an inclusive employer and inclusive charity.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/24/choir-dropped-london-marathon-founder-gender-critical-views/
https://archive.ph/LXP0N

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/24/choir-dropped-london-marathon-founder-gender-critical-views

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ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 22/10/2026 20:41

“The fact Ms Murray holds these views should not have influenced our decision-making.”

Urg Scope.. you’re still saying she’s wrong aren’t you?

DisforDarkChocolate · 22/10/2026 20:53

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 22/10/2026 20:41

“The fact Ms Murray holds these views should not have influenced our decision-making.”

Urg Scope.. you’re still saying she’s wrong aren’t you?

Agree, they really wanted to make it clear they see her views as deeply unpleasant and if it wasn't for the law the wouldn't be doing this.

IwantToRetire · 22/10/2026 21:20

Has this been posted. Glad it is in the public domain or at least readers of the Telegraph

Charity apologises to choir dropped over gender-critical views
Scope admits cancelling Singing Striders’ London Marathon performance was wrong after founder and fellow members took legal action
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/10/22/scope-charity-apologises-choir-gender-crititical-marathon/
and at https://archive.is/djCjv

SqueakyDinosaur · 22/10/2026 22:58

They have entirely avoided spelling out what the actual issue was. Absolute arseholes.

Manxexile · 22/10/2026 23:52

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 22/10/2026 20:41

“The fact Ms Murray holds these views should not have influenced our decision-making.”

Urg Scope.. you’re still saying she’s wrong aren’t you?

Yes.

I don't like this bit either: "... We appreciate the Singing Striders are a diverse group that do not endorse specific beliefs. Scope was mistaken in characterising the whole Choir as all sharing a particular viewpoint..."

Even if Scope had been correct in believing that each individual member of the choir shared Janet Murray's viewpoint they still would have been acting unlawfully if they had cancelled the choir for that reason. It's irrelevant whether all or none of the choir shared her protected belief. The only point is that the belief was protected, no matter who - or how many people - held it

They can't even apologise properly

socialdilemmawhattodo · 23/10/2026 00:00

LadyinPainting · 22/10/2026 19:25

That has ‘we will do whatever it takes to avoid legal action’ written all over it!

Doesn't it just! #sadtimes

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 01:49

singthing · 24/04/2026 16:18

Choir dropped from London Marathon over founder’s ‘gender-critical views’
Charity cancels singers who raise runners’ spirits owing to Janet Murray’s opposition to gender ideology

A choir has been dropped from the London Marathon over a member’s gender-critical views.

The Singing Striders are frequently booked to stand on the sidelines and raise the spirits of runners, and the group had been invited to support the upcoming marathon by Scope, a leading disability charity.

However, the amateur ensemble was dropped because a single member had been critical of gender ideology.

This is the view that gender is defined by self-identification, rather than biological sex, meaning that those born male can become women.

Janet Murray, the choir founder, was informed that her opposition to this worldview went against Scope’s “commitment to diversity and inclusion”.

Charity bosses also told her “we are concerned about your views because we don’t agree with your views”.

As a writer and journalist, Murray has publicly expressed concerns about the inclusion of biological males in women’s sports and organisations such as Girlguiding.

It is understood that the decision to cancel the choir, which was to perform for no fee, came after Scope received two anonymous complaints about these opinions.

The charity has since defended its stance as it is “committed to the equality and inclusion of trans and non-binary disabled people”.

Janet Murray, the writer
Murray says it is ironic that Scope should bring politics into a space that was simply about supporting charity runners Credit: Belinda Jiao
Ms Murray told The Telegraph: “When cancel culture finds its way into something as joyful as a choir singing for marathon runners, it’s a sobering reminder of how insidious it can be.

“My choir exists to lift people up, helping them through the hardest moments as they raise money for charity. I’ve run the London Marathon myself, and I know how much that support means.”

The writer said that while she did have gender-critical views, they did not enter into her work with the choir, adding: “I leave politics at home when I’m with the choir – and so does everyone else.

“Ironically, it’s Scope that’s brought politics into a space that was simply about supporting charity runners – effectively silencing a choir in the process.”

The cancellation came despite the Singing Striders performing for Scope at past marathons without incident.

The London Marathon has several “cheer points” along the route to boost the morale of runners, and Scope has two dedicated spaces this year, at Tower Hill and Woolwich

The London Marathon will take place on Sunday
The London Marathon will take place on Sunday Credit: Karwai Tang/WireImage
The Singing Striders were set to raise a chorus at the mile-three cheer point in Woolwich, performing from 8.30am to 1pm, with minor expenses for travel covered by Scope.

The choir had practised for months ahead of the marathon, and members were understood to be surprised and disappointed by the decision, and hopeful that an organisation might come forward to offer them a space at the event on Sunday.

Critics of gender ideology have been subjected to cancellation since the issue of transgender identities emerged into public consciousness, with figures such as Graham Linehan, the Father Ted co-writer, being an early victim of censoriousness.

Graham Linehan on the trans debate and new Father Ted material
Read more
In 2024, the debate shifted again when the Cass review cautioned against rushing children into life-changing gender transitions, particularly with the use of potentially harmful puberty blockers.

Scope has defended its decision to cancel the marathon choir, stating that the move “reflects where we stand as an organisation and our commitment to our colleagues, volunteers and supporters”.

John McLachlan, Scope’s chief executive, said: “Concerns were raised to us about the views of the founder and director of Singing Striders, a choir who were due to volunteer to perform for us at the London Marathon. After consideration, we took the decision to not have their choir perform on our behalf.

“We understand and respect the right for people to hold different views about inclusion. At Scope, we are committed to the equality and inclusion of trans and non-binary disabled people. We have trans and non-binary colleagues, volunteers and supporters.

“Scope is committed to equality and inclusion. Our EDI policy sets out our commitment to be an inclusive employer and inclusive charity.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/24/choir-dropped-london-marathon-founder-gender-critical-views/
https://archive.ph/LXP0N

Fair enough. There's no point having principles if you can't stand by them.

JellySaurus · 23/10/2026 08:21

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 01:49

Fair enough. There's no point having principles if you can't stand by them.

Principles? Or prejudices? 🤔

AccordingToWhom · 23/10/2026 14:41

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 01:49

Fair enough. There's no point having principles if you can't stand by them.

Errr, things have moved on since then. They've now apologised. RTFT.

SirChenjins · 23/10/2026 15:05

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 01:49

Fair enough. There's no point having principles if you can't stand by them.

Absolutely - but expect to face public backlash, loss of income, embarrassing climbdowns, legal proceedings and expensive fines when your principles are successfully challenged. Anyone can hold principles, but these need to be within the law.

TWETMIRF · 23/10/2026 15:08

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 01:49

Fair enough. There's no point having principles if you can't stand by them.

All well and good except in cases like these where the principles are illegal discrimination against women

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 15:27

SirChenjins · 23/10/2026 15:05

Absolutely - but expect to face public backlash, loss of income, embarrassing climbdowns, legal proceedings and expensive fines when your principles are successfully challenged. Anyone can hold principles, but these need to be within the law.

Anyone can hold principles, but these need to be within the law.

Well if it was good enough for The Suffragettes….

KnownTroublemaker · 23/10/2026 15:44

Thank you for the update.

Well done Janet.

I too note the gritted teeth and weasel words of the statement from Scope.

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2026 16:01

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 15:27

Anyone can hold principles, but these need to be within the law.

Well if it was good enough for The Suffragettes….

Yeah but the Sufragettes were fighting for basic rights that women were deprived of.
Trans people have the same rights as everyone else, so there's no reason for them to act outside the law. Ever.

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 16:20

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2026 16:01

Yeah but the Sufragettes were fighting for basic rights that women were deprived of.
Trans people have the same rights as everyone else, so there's no reason for them to act outside the law. Ever.

That's contestable discrimination wise.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 23/10/2026 16:31

sweetnsourr · 23/10/2026 16:20

That's contestable discrimination wise.

No it isn't, it really isn't, it's plain for everyone to see, they're not being discriminated against, they are in fact the discriminators.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 23/10/2026 17:43

"Whole choir" it was what, four people?😁

Now down to two because the rest don't want to be associated with her nasty views. She's been quite vocal about how many friends have told her to get lost because of her behaviour.

Most of Janet Murray's columns involve pointing at individual trans people who've committed no crime whatsoever, while inviting others to judge their appearance. On one occasion, she publicly identified a trans bus driver and raged against her wearing tights.

That's not feminism. Or a public service. It's just pointless, reprehensible bullying.

Taking money off a charity for disabled people because they don't want to be associated with someone who uses hate speech is despicable, honestly.

Lots of disabled people are trans. The charity represents them, and didn't want to be associated with her. Good for them.

Racism, homophobia and transphobia are all beliefs. Evil and wrong, and incitements to violence, but also 'beliefs'.

Forcing an apology because your hate is classified as a belief isn't anything to celebrate.

DworkinWasRight · 23/10/2026 19:20

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 23/10/2026 17:43

"Whole choir" it was what, four people?😁

Now down to two because the rest don't want to be associated with her nasty views. She's been quite vocal about how many friends have told her to get lost because of her behaviour.

Most of Janet Murray's columns involve pointing at individual trans people who've committed no crime whatsoever, while inviting others to judge their appearance. On one occasion, she publicly identified a trans bus driver and raged against her wearing tights.

That's not feminism. Or a public service. It's just pointless, reprehensible bullying.

Taking money off a charity for disabled people because they don't want to be associated with someone who uses hate speech is despicable, honestly.

Lots of disabled people are trans. The charity represents them, and didn't want to be associated with her. Good for them.

Racism, homophobia and transphobia are all beliefs. Evil and wrong, and incitements to violence, but also 'beliefs'.

Forcing an apology because your hate is classified as a belief isn't anything to celebrate.

No, there were 10, as a quick Google demonstrates. You can’t even get the really simple stuff right, can you?

FrippEnos · 24/10/2026 10:42

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 23/10/2026 17:43

"Whole choir" it was what, four people?😁

Now down to two because the rest don't want to be associated with her nasty views. She's been quite vocal about how many friends have told her to get lost because of her behaviour.

Most of Janet Murray's columns involve pointing at individual trans people who've committed no crime whatsoever, while inviting others to judge their appearance. On one occasion, she publicly identified a trans bus driver and raged against her wearing tights.

That's not feminism. Or a public service. It's just pointless, reprehensible bullying.

Taking money off a charity for disabled people because they don't want to be associated with someone who uses hate speech is despicable, honestly.

Lots of disabled people are trans. The charity represents them, and didn't want to be associated with her. Good for them.

Racism, homophobia and transphobia are all beliefs. Evil and wrong, and incitements to violence, but also 'beliefs'.

Forcing an apology because your hate is classified as a belief isn't anything to celebrate.

If you read the various responses from the choir you will see that the reason that they left was due to the concern that they would be attacked and assaulted by your ever loving trans people.

AngleofRepose · 24/10/2026 11:27

ok, ok, enough already, we heard you the first 600 times:

everything in the universe, everywhere, all at once, was the Suffragettes' fault

Can we move on now, please? Somebody change the record.

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 24/10/2026 13:12

FrippEnos · 24/10/2026 10:42

If you read the various responses from the choir you will see that the reason that they left was due to the concern that they would be attacked and assaulted by your ever loving trans people.

No no no @FrippEnos they is delicate, beautiful little butterflies, emerged from their cocoon of AFAB/AMAB and if they need to threaten people they’ll have deserved it!

JanesLittleGirl · 24/10/2026 13:55

FrippEnos · 24/10/2026 10:42

If you read the various responses from the choir you will see that the reason that they left was due to the concern that they would be attacked and assaulted by your ever loving trans people.

There was a flurry of posts by the same user across several threads at about the same time. The pattern was suggestive of an early and unwise visit to the drinks cabinet.

AngleofRepose · 24/10/2026 14:34

🌺Sorry I shouted. Was feeling fed up, but that's no excuse. Mea culpa.

Here's another flower: 🌹

Manxexile · 24/10/2026 15:00

JanesLittleGirl · 24/10/2026 13:55

There was a flurry of posts by the same user across several threads at about the same time. The pattern was suggestive of an early and unwise visit to the drinks cabinet.

Do you think that might also explain their comment on another thread a couple of days ago that measuring clitoral length was a part of "gender testing"? (Whatever that is)

JanesLittleGirl · 24/10/2026 15:10

Manxexile · 24/10/2026 15:00

Do you think that might also explain their comment on another thread a couple of days ago that measuring clitoral length was a part of "gender testing"? (Whatever that is)

Edited

You may very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.