Would or will you vote Green if it was the only way to change a Council that has traditionally been Labour?

[IwantToRetire]

That's the situation in my council area.

Not going to list issues in my area as maybe a bit identifying, but in terms of local issues they have lost the plot.

I am not a member of or ever been a supporter of any political party.

I usually just vote for a local independent candidate, but as the suggestion is the Greens could get in, should I vote for them to get Labour out, when I despise their treatment of women.

OP who on your council have you talked to about the issues impacting you?

Our Labour councillor replied very quickly to a query I raised this year.

Well, yes.

The national Greens are insane and a danger to society. And they've let this utter bunch of nutters in.

My local candidate is a clear, undeniable cockwomble who I wouldn't trust to tie his own shoelaces.

Should I vote to give 'they/them' a chance to fuck my council up further?

Er, no.

Suspect you are right.

They do wonder in the current climate how any Council can survive. I seem to remember quoting on another thread that councils have had their central Government funding cut by 40%.

So unmended leaks, potholes, etc., etc., are probably just the physical examples of that.

Quite a few, who off the record say that was and is happening is wrong, but they aren't allowed to say it. And the one who did got shut down within a week.

I am sure other Parties are the same but as we have seen from the national Party Labour's internal workings are poisonous, and a lot of back stabbing.

Have been advised that the situation could be grounds for a legal action, which those of us impacted cant afford. And as I have now found out the law firms that take on cases pro bono, etc., only do it not just if they think they can win, but will result in a big enough payout to make it worthwhile. So a smallish group of local residents isn't as financially attractive.

Local Greens did feel different when they came round but one reason I won’t vote for them is I do think the local elections pull national policies in certain directions.

So if Greens do really well Labour will pick up some of their approach nationally to try and ward them off and I don’t want that.

Is your MP no use?

She has been but that was in an instance that she could take a stand against someone outside of the council.

Sadly, and not being specific deliberately, as she is part of the Labour Party and (not just me saying this) known to take a far less firm and resolute position on behalf of residents when the problem is Labour Party Councillors.

In fact (a bit off topic) when they have been in meetings / on the platform together they are like an in group at a school or something. They will actually snigger together when some innocent resident asks a question from the floor.

And can be more than a little patronising. And yes sadly these are women, but as we have all seen from the public exhibition of the WEC nothing like a group of Labour women working in tandem to make sure everyone knows they have the "correct" position and every one else is just an irritant. Or "the enemy"!

Its all be like being back at school. Was never in the in group there either.

You wouldn't think from their behaviour that councillors are elected to provide as service to residents.

The reality is @IwantToRetire that political parties are a bit like dating, you expect them to be on their best behaviour to try and woo you before you get in bed with them. If later they turn out to be a let down then that's a shame, if they're as mad as a box of frogs at the start then you only have yourself to blame if you go along with it regardless

Same here, not a chance would I ever vote in terrorist supporters.

OP, why do you think that voting the Greens in would lead to any local improvements? Serious question.

The Greens policies are not going to improve our lives at all. In fact their policies on open borders, legalising drugs, universal basic income etc are going to harm our lives and destroy our economy. None of that will help the environment.

Where Labour mismanagement has harmed local areas and communities, the Greens behaviour and attitudes reflect the worst of that.

They are a party of two unreconcilable halves. The LGBTQ and the Islamists. If they are given any power it will be impossible to continue like they are - one half will win out. While both would be disastrous, my prediction is that it’s not going to be the LGBTQ that win.

This absolutely!! Some of the things coming out that the various Green candidates have either said or been convicted of doing are eye watering. And Polanski doesn’t seem to be too worried.

Hell would freeze over before I give Hypnotits the satisfaction.

No, the new generation Green Party are clueless, experience-free, mixed up, ideologically led (and largely deluded), obsessed with identity politics, and ...just no.

Plus I actually don't think Labour are doing the worst job, given what they inherited and what has transpired since.

Be careful what you wish for.

What's your assumption that a Green-led council would actually improve the lives of the local people? Labour is going to be decimated in May. It is not going to take a swing to the Greens to do that. Labour is doing it all by itself. Any council that was Labour-led will be better off with NOC. And that will happen by voting for practically anyone you like.

I'm moving from Labour to Green. They feel like a decent choice against the alternatives. We have a Conservative council and also have awful issues with council home repairs not being given any priority.

(None of the other parties standing have any chance of becoming the majority.)
No overall control is a possibility that you aren't even considering. It doesn't have to be a stark choice between Labour and Greens. And you are making assumptions that the Greens will manage your council better than Labour has been doing. Where's you evidence for that?

Absolutely not. They are dangerous

Agree with this. It’s important that Labour don’t get pulled back towards damaging, TRA style policies. Quite a few of them would be all too happy to use Green success as proof that they need to move further left, including trashing all the progress we’ve made.

Never. I’ve vote for literally anyone before I’d vote for the greens. They are batshit.

@IwantToRetire No, I would never vote Green. Yes, Labour are shit but Greens are batshit.

The Green Party candidate in my wardrobe is a high profile TRA. I'm thinking of voting LD to try to prevent him winning. Years since I did anything other than spoil my ballot and I've never voted LD before, but the thought of this bloke as a councillor sends shivers down my spine.

I’d rather drink acid.

This!

I hope the candidate is in your ward, rather than your wardrobe. I really would not want a Green Party candidate lurking, hidden, in the corner of your bedroom...