Would or will you vote Green if it was the only way to change a Council that has traditionally been Labour?

[IwantToRetire]

That's the situation in my council area.

Not going to list issues in my area as maybe a bit identifying, but in terms of local issues they have lost the plot.

I am not a member of or ever been a supporter of any political party.

I usually just vote for a local independent candidate, but as the suggestion is the Greens could get in, should I vote for them to get Labour out, when I despise their treatment of women.

Vote Green and this could be your councillor. Christ on a bike

No

Dear god, no. The Scottish Greens are beyond daft.

I've already responded to this. I didn't. But in the circumstances the forecast is they are the only party who could beat Labour.

So as per the OP title, if the only way to get rid of Labour was to vote Green would you. (And are they any good as councillors)

And as has become clear on the thread not many have any experience of having a Green Council.

The question is why so many people think it okay to go on letting Labour FU people's lives.

You know the ones the papers and politicians like to quote, honest, decent working people.

Totally irrelevant.

I am asking would they be competent and reliable councillors.

Do you know any Green Councillors.

And is so do they actual do anything worthwhile as a councillor.

AS said at the start of the thread there is a strong prediction that Greens will beat labout in this area.

So do I actively help them do that or leave it to my neighbours and accept totally incompetent and unaccountable Labour who are making peoples live hell, or take a chance on Greens.

And although as this thread has made clear no many have experience of having a green councillor.

For anyone interested this site is said to be able to give an indication of likely outcome of local council elections.
https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/locals-2026#/

Now see that the immediate next door council to mine is predicted to keep Labour which it has been for decades.

So wonder whether the area I live has somehow become home to Green devotees or whether the negative behaviour of our Labour Councillors has in fact caused part of the change.

As I said earlier my council had several green cllrs in positions of influence and by and large they fall into 2 categories - the long standing hard working deeply earnest ones who seem to have no idea of the invidious green policies on women - but with no money to change anything because like all councils they have to spend the vast majority of their money on social care and SEND, & stupidly young poshos with no life experience who are busy trying to build a national platform and just don't care about local issues.

a look at what has happened in Bristol is a salutary lesson in what a green council gets you!!

the broader problem though is that pretty much all local authorities are financially fucked. They are having to spend more and more on adult social care, children's social care and SEND. A tier 1 local authority such as a county council, London borough ir a unitary authority has around 1300 statutory duties ie things it must do by law. There just isn't the money and hasn't been for some time now. The Barnet graph of doom explains this perfectly

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/28/barnet-councils-graph-of-doom-now-looks-prophetic

I think you need to scrutinise the actual candidate. Not all greens are rabid antisemitic TRAs.
locally there’s are suddenly more green councillors as well as new candidates- some genuinely are interested in improving the local area. Others it’s clearly more about them and motivations are worrying.

Given the record or Greens running councils in Brighton and Bristol I would question whether backing them is a good plan. The Tories and Lib Dems have a more competent record. If your Labour council is particularly bad and have been in poor forever it gets complicated.

not a chance in hell. Polanski is horrific.

No

Same.

I’d hold my nose and do it if I thought it was the only way to keep Reform taking over my council, but otherwise not a chance.

The Greens are extreme and unpleasant. Their issues within the party are off the scale and they were reported at one stage to be in danger of going broke because of the number of suits against them by their own members for discrimination. Shahrah Ali still suing I believe.

Yes. If the Monster Raving Loony Party is still a thing, I’d vote for them above the Greens.

I don’t think posters are saying that local residents don’t matter, just that green may be worse.

On housing, green policies are significantly different from labour, so you might get what you want. Then again, the reason most councils don’t change much is that they are cash-strapped becuase of big statutory obligations so ignore everything else. Plus in some areas green are doing the opposite of what you might expect, eg selling off council houses in Bristol which Labour is opposing.

On the other things you care about, greens are likely to be much worse. You mentioned women’s rights, cliquey group think, and cosplaying rich people who see poor people as exotic accessories. That all sounds like green to me.

Absolutely no.

No. They are the left equivalent of Reform, as said above. Dangerous and deluded.

But you’re asking questions about individuals we don’t know. We can’t answer whether your local Green candidates would be competent and reliable as we don’t know who they are.

I would say generally though that if anyone can knowingly hitch their wagon to the Green Party as it currently stands, questions should be raised on their suitability to be in any position of power.

Electing Green candidates locally gives Polanski et al more power and legitimacy nationally and that is a Very Bad and Terrifying Thing (for reasons put forward by the majority of PPs).

If you want to put your local priorities ahead of the good of the country in the hope that your Green councillor is one of the more sane ones then that’s your choice but you have come here and asked our opinions then are just dismissing those you don’t like out of hand.

I’m sure you are aware that if Green controls the council you won’t be regaining any female only spaces or services in the area.

There are still some good people within the Greens, yes absolutely. But at this point I think the party itself has become dangerous. On various fronts and for various reasons.

Exactly this.

I would go so far as to say that some (many?) of the good people in the Greens want the party to implode under ZP, so that a proper environmentally focused party can arise from the ashes. They are poised to help that happen. If we keep voting Green on the off chance that we might select a version 1.0 Green councillor/MP then we are not helping the sane people still in the GP or on the periphery.

I would vote tactically for anyone that is most likely to keep reform out

Yes this is a fair post. The leaflet I got and the Greens I met seemed innocuous enough, and I can’t stand Labour. But this post is why I wouldn’t vote Green anyway.

No chance, they are even more insane than Labour and that’s saying something!