Grace Campbell - Alastair Campbell

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If I have missed any threads already started about this then apologies.

I am literally lost for words on the post she added to her podcast along with Charlie Craggs.

My own daughter has been lost to this cause. I am hoping I get her back. How utterly vile can a young woman be - Grace Campbell - towards women who have worked so hard to give her such privilege. I might be ugly and a freak Grace with awful hair. But I am not a mean girl.

Oh yes. Both AC and DT can then claim they were misled. It’s quite obvious they hate women, even those they’re supposed to love.

Can we all assume the poster TransParentlyAnnoyed is an intentional derailer/bad faith actor.

They started on this thread with a child who was male/female/trans/gender non conforming and now are talking about knowing people who ‘hoard’ phots/are involved with childrens groups.

Best to not engage. Some really good points re Campbell in the recent posts. Especially the Alan Partridge Madonna one 🙂

Is anyone involved with the Alistair Campbell/Rory Stewart podcast aware of how ridiculous his recent tweet is? He has suggested anyone involved with the JKR succession of tweets listen to the episode of his podcast where Tim McBride was interviewed. Yes a man.

At this point I genuinely believe he is simply after the ratings. He has always been an odious man but seeing his daughter utterly lacking in any empathy towards women fighting quite literally for her rights surely he stops and thinks….hmmm….maybe women are deserving of better.

Is he really living in a bubble where all this trans nonsense is deemed to be reality? I get it, some people do not conform to stereotypes-but did we not get over all that in the 70s? Bowie, Freddie Mercury, you know the spiel.

It feels like AC is simply on a new bandwagon.

Do the sensible thing AC/RS and invite FWS on.

Just another pathetic attempt to sling mud. And another chance to preach, of course. I'm sure we are all suitably impressed.

I’m just concerned about that poster. Seems a very toxic environment, especially as that poster states they have a child.

especially as that poster states they have a child.

That seems very unlikely.

I'm listening to R4. There's no coverage of any of this. Those poor hobbled reporters unable to report on these juicy spats . I bet some on woman's hour could have a field day if only they are allowed . The telegraph and the mail are really going for Campbell and Stewart

Unfortunately, they'll both treat that as a badge of honour, I suspect.

And I think their reference to the women they denigrate not being “aspirational” is driven by influencer culture, they aren’t selling a lifestyle or whatever so how can they possibly be worth listening to?

If 'aspirational' is a heartfelt desire to sleep with an A-List celebrity after the age of about 17 (then what? To get podcast kibble or comedy mileage out of it? What a coup for them), then cut me a mullet, please.

Says a lot about where we are up to that you get better information from the Mail and Telegraph. The left has really fallen, BBC, Guardian and mainstream media, all captured by this nonsense.

Is he really living in a bubble where all this trans nonsense is deemed to be reality?

It was said, after the BBC bias report last year that the reason the BeKind affirmative stuff got absorbed so quickly was BC quite a lot of media and intelligentsia ppl found they had children declaring themselves as that, or as allies. Campbell being the most obvious

There's a quote on twitter from David Aaronovitch at the time about a courtesy that was offered to the ideas

Not just a man, but a man who, one would assume, would have no knowledge of UK equality law and who lives in a country that has a rather regressive record on women's rights.

I'm not on board with trans stuff at all but let's not make too much of Bowie or Freddie. It's one thing to be gender nonconforming when you're an international megastar, living a highly unusual life in many respects, to most people a distant figure on a stage or in photographs. It's quite another to try to be gender nonconforming in the office, on the building site or on the playground.

but it is easier when there is a prominent person doing the same.

Years and years ago i read a Cosmo (I think) article about people who dress really differently. There was a woman in really fabulous out-there outfits, and a couple of others i can't remember and a young chap called George O'Dowd (way before Culture Club hit the scene) it was the very early years of the Blitz Kids and prominent in the article was that he was very often beaten up for the way he looked.

I have to say he was beautiful then. As were many of the Blitz Kids. But - and here's my point - once more and more prominent people started to dress like that it was much more mainstream. I was a wannabe-Blitz-Kid back in the day, as a girl i didn't have many issues with people taking against me for my look but my be-eyelinered boyfriend? got a lot of stick

Yes, and also that BBC staff are mainly recruited from the middle class, usually privately educated with arts degrees. They're mostly fully signed up to the big bag of progressive ideas of which trans is such an integral part.

To have a different point of view for these people is completely verboten.

Just bizarre. Listen to 3 men talking about women's concerns and women's rights, he could not have got it more wrong.

Get a woman on fgs! Kellie Jay Keen or Sandie Peggie, or For Women Scotland reps. Or any woman, just not a man.

I cannot comprehend that AC was ever an important voice in politics. He just seems so pathetic and gormless. How on earth did he ever have had such a high profile/important role?!

Now, be fair, Alastair and Rory are just being sensitive to the natural limitations of the female brain. Especially on such a complex issue as women's rights.

They are simply following the recommended approach to avoid any poor woman embarrassing herself by voicing an opinion, as shown in this good practice guide by Harry Enfield, on how women should handle any discussions beyond the domestic sphere and, of course, kittens.

That clip! 🤣🤣

"I cannot comprehend that AC was ever an important voice in politics. He just seems so pathetic and gormless. How on earth did he ever have had such a high profile/important role?!"

from memory he was the OG famous political spin doctor - ie his success came from being very good at spinning the truth, telling tales, presenting "alternative facts" as the truth, getting people/media etc to "look over there not here" etc.

i.e he was a hugely successful political professional manipulator & story teller.

We shouldnt ever forget this.

There is not much that renders me speechless but my flabber was truly ghasted when I read that she had actually written that her lifelong desire was to have sex with an A-list celebrity.

WTAF?

To be fair to Campbell he was an astute political operator in his time. There's no way he'd have have got Blair into a ludicrous "pretend to the public a rapist's cock-bulge is a lady cock if it's in pink leggings" situation, especially when it provides such a massive open goal to the opposition.

That's what I find so fascinating about gender woo- how it so thoroughly beclowns so many otherwise shrewd people.

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I alway think of Sarah Phillimore saying that in order to believe in it you have to make yourself stupid.

Elaine Miller made me laugh yesterday, she tweeted words to the effect that she'd be willing to go on TRIP, she knows what a fanny is and can point.

I think both Campbell and Stewart would argue that they are just upholding the belief that society should support 'the most vulnerable/marginalised'.

However, the penny doesn't quite drop that they are asking women to do this work, not men, and that the work women are expected to do is not to 'support the marginalised' but to protect men's egos.

Where does Alistair Campbell think trans activism and ideology sprang from? It certainly wasn't a thing at all when he was in his prime...... long before social media and echo chambers where a thing that people would get lost to the world in.