Grace Campbell - Alastair Campbell

[BlueLegume]

If I have missed any threads already started about this then apologies.

I am literally lost for words on the post she added to her podcast along with Charlie Craggs.

My own daughter has been lost to this cause. I am hoping I get her back. How utterly vile can a young woman be - Grace Campbell - towards women who have worked so hard to give her such privilege. I might be ugly and a freak Grace with awful hair. But I am not a mean girl.

So well-put.

As to being 'kind' to males....there is a whole load of internalised misogyny, 'girls must be kind', not make a fuss, not argue; and always, always accept that they are in the wrong and that everything, including male behaviour, is their fault and responsibility.

I have been guilty of it in the past. It was a good 30 years after a sexual assault, when my DD, with the ignorance and innocence of youth, told me I knew nothing about TIM vulnerability because I'd never been assaulted, that I had a lightbulb moment and finally moved on from 'why did I not stop him?' to 'I can't believe that that happened and I thought it was my fault'.

Not a baby not seemingly phenomenally imature and insecure. I have only sympathy for her. I don't think she can be very happy.

You're so right. This reminded me of the disgraceful anti-bullying pack for schools put out some years ago by the Crown Prosecution Service, no less, co-produced with Stonewall and Gendered Intelligence. Maya Forstater discusses it here: https://a-question-of-consent.net/2020/04/30/cps-guidance-undermining-consent-withdrawn/

Quoting from her post:

One of its teaching exercises features a video scenario where an adult male presenting in a feminine style enters the women’s toilets. Two young women at the sinks whisper their discomfort: “What’s he doing in here? This is the Ladies”. The next time the person uses the Gents’ where two middle-aged men shout abuse and bang on the door.

The class discussion guidance says

“Ask the students what happened in the clip. Thinking about how the girl in the clip was treated, can the class understand why she might have felt hesitant about going into the toilets?”

(by ‘girl’ here they mean the adult male)

As the legal letter to the CPS points out it is not safe for girls to learn that they should consider an adult male using a facility intended for their bodily privacy as a ‘girl’.

What were they thinking? The only answer I can come up with is they weren't thinking at all.

The CPS is problematic.

That CPS messaging is horrifying.
A charter for abusers.

Df's have a huge influence on their daughters. That might explain her attention seeking behaviour. Her df is often talking bollocks publicly on his silly podcast so maybe she followed his example.

Who among us cannot say that their life-long dream was having sex with an A-list celebrity?

I once heard a woman talk about how, in her younger years, she'd gone on the groupie circuit with the specific aim of having sex with Lemmy.

She never did get to have sex with Lemmy, but she had an endless fund of stories about celebrities treating young women badly.

I have to admit that I didn't find any of these stories empowering.

Did we get to the bottom of whether your " son" is a natal female who wears dresses and akirts but is still somehow a man ?

What on earth are you talking about? 😵‍💫

"Be kind" in the context of this thread raises legitimate questions about what is meant by "be kind" if it means allowing some males who identify as women like CC access to female spaces thats unwise in my opinion. I don't think that is "anti trans hate" it's protecting women rights.
The OP in this thread is about a trans woman and a woman mocking and ridiculing women who fought a legal challenge for their rights. I don't think that was "kind", thats why i felt the need to "write all that out".
I not sure what you mean by "sick CSA fantasies" on here ,i haven't seen that or i would report it.
I don't think MN is a "sewer" but it does reflect varying views which i think often are helpful ,sometimes not so much.
But you are right in that it's not compulsory to engage or contribute in MN.

Jesus, I read 'Lammy'.

Are you okay?

There are some rum characters in the Labour Party, but it's not quite that bad.

It seems every generation of girls is destined to be sold a new fantasy of male gratification dressed as female liberation.

Grace and I have very different backgrounds, but I can recognise some of her experiences as female experiences, including MVAWG. I hope at some point she is able to reflect on the larger mechanisms at play.

I'm not very keen on condemning her because I think selling out older women to appease men is a tale as old as time, and I expect eventually she may come to see that.

I mean many of us are not even all that much older, but still.

Thank you for reminding us of the CPS's exercise in using coercive control against children.

Policy Exchange's research from 2023 suggests that nothing has changed - despite them dumping their sign up to Stonewall fake law.

https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/the-crown-prosecution-services-approach-to-transgenderism/

Haven't RTFT but I first came across her when she ruined an episode of the otherwise utterly enjoyable Alan Davies As Yet Untitled for me. I was shocked to hear she identifies as a comedian

This gets to the heart of it really. In a world where Nepo babies can be anything, why can't a man become a woman? Only ugly meanies would refuse to play along.

As for the rest of us mugs, who have to live in reality, who gives a shit? We are too boring to waste time on.

It's a big deal with Rory too I think. He's not an untalented man by any means, but anyone who knows Brian Stewart's biography will suspect Rory has spent his life feeling like he'll never live up to his old man.

Nepo babies are often the people who are really attracted to the idea that you can reinvent yourself at will.

It's not something I considered before, but it makes a lot of sense

Lots of women, yes, but also men writing out thinly-disguised, sick CSA fantasies about girls being touched and coerced by 'males' under the pretence of worrying about them.

Not just girls, we may as well not ignore the elephant in the room on this thread, really.

By which I mean CC from the podcast referenced in the OP:
Charlie Craggs: “Put me in the Men’s: I can handle it and I can handle your husbands. I will give your husbands what they’re not getting at home with you."

Doesn't really support the claims of 'use the bogs with no agenda of intimidating other people.'

@TransParentlyAnnoyed
I don't like getting into back and forths with individual posters, but I have to say something about your last post. Saying that 'girls being touched and coerced by 'males'' is a 'sick fantasy' of individuals on this board is not only entirely incorrect, but also deeply offensive. Just bear in mind how high the percentage is of women who have been sexually assaulted and then extrapolate that out to the women on this board. It is not a fantasy. It is reality for many of us. And it is also not a fantasy that I want to do what I can to protect my DD from being 'touched and coerced'.

Yes, it's not quite 'we just want to pee', is it?