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Catholic sisters in New York sue state over ‘preferred pronouns’ mandate

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IwantToRetire · 10/04/2026 19:53

The Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne have filed a lawsuit against the State of New York, claiming that new gender identity requirements for nursing homes violate their constitutional rights and would force them to act against their Catholic faith.

In a statement, Mother Marie Edward, the congregation’s superior general, said: “We Sisters have taken care of patients from all walks of life, ideologies and faiths. We treat each patient with dignity and Christian charity. We have never had complaints. We cannot implement New York’s mandate without violating our Catholic faith.”

The lawsuit argues that the law compels the sisters to “act against central, unchangeable and architectural teachings of the Catholic faith”. It adds, “The implications are so much greater than whether to utter the words ‘he’ or ‘she’. Indeed, to demand that a Catholic deny another’s sex is to require him or her to affirm another religious worldview.”

The sisters also argue that the law is applied unevenly. The complaint notes that facilities operated by the Church of Christ, Congregationalist, Scientist are exempt, as the statute does not apply to those “whose teachings include reliance on spiritual means through prayer alone for healing”. This, the sisters contend, amounts to unconstitutional discrimination between religious groups.

Full article at https://thecatholicherald.com/article/new-york-sisters-sue-state-over-preferred-pronouns-mandate (behind paywall and not on archive.ph)

New York sisters sue state over ‘preferred pronouns’ mandate

Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne sue New York State, arguing ‘preferred pronouns’ rules force them to act against their Catholic faith

https://thecatholicherald.com/article/new-york-sisters-sue-state-over-preferred-pronouns-mandate

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Myalternate · 24/06/2026 17:33

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We don’t care 👍

IwantToRetire · 24/06/2026 17:34

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 24/06/2026 17:23

I'm so sorry. I had no idea that you owned FWR and all the threads therein. I shall delete my account and bow out👋

What a silly over the top comment.

Just out of respect for the nuns, it is possible to have a thread about keeping in touch with how a group of women are being persecuted.

I know threads get derailed, but that doesn't mean I cant say how unnecessary it is.

But if you want to have a thread that just becomes another ground hog day carry on.

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MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 17:38

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Proust called - he said 'Oh dear. Keep taking the madeleines'

CuriousQueer · 24/06/2026 17:46

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NotAtMyAge · 24/06/2026 17:48

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And under the US constitution their right to do this is protected.

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 17:50

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Oh hey, fancy meeting you here!

So anyway: I bet those sisters do more to help dying trans people than you do. So you should support them, really.

NotAtMyAge · 24/06/2026 17:53

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Of course not. The sine qua non of being a transwoman is to be male. The word for an adult male human is man. QED

JanesLittleGirl · 24/06/2026 17:55

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I assumed that the poster was GC when I saw this self-same post on another thread. Clearly not quite up to speed with the sarcasm embedded in the original G&S libretto.

NotAtMyAge · 24/06/2026 17:57

JanesLittleGirl · 24/06/2026 17:55

I assumed that the poster was GC when I saw this self-same post on another thread. Clearly not quite up to speed with the sarcasm embedded in the original G&S libretto.

That's the problem with relying on AI for your parody. 😉

MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 17:57

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What 'ilk' do you say I belong to, CuriousQueer?
I attempted to engage in a serious discussion with you about Catholic doctrine , and you ignored it.
I even responded to your Proustian reference - que dalle!

I'm beginning to suspect that you are incapable of, or unwilling to, see posters as individuals. Just an ilk or a blob or a hive mind or something.

You obviously haven't been around here much, or you'd know that there are lots of different opinions and approaches.

Mine is very - and apparently, since you are ignoring it, boringly - fact-based, going back to primary sources, double checking references, engaging with specific points - that kind of thing.

Other more direct approaches existWink
Not the same thing at all. Different 'ilks'.

CuriousQueer · 24/06/2026 17:59

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MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 18:02

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Relevance - thread - bless - 'dear' - 😉
What on earth are you on about?Translation please!

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 18:05

@MarieDeGournay

Don't bother. This one is no fun to play with.

MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 18:13

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 18:05

@MarieDeGournay

Don't bother. This one is no fun to play with.

OK, thanks, Seethlaw - CuriousQueer had elements of being fun to play with - references to Marcel Proust and Catholic social doctrine were very promising.

And that dismissive 'bless you dear' to me, - to MOI ! - well, that was never going to end well was it?😏

I'm getting nothing sensible back, I'll take your advice - and also point out to IWTR that I stayed close to the original theme of nunsSmile

Thanks Seethlaw.

MissConductUS · 24/06/2026 18:14

NotAtMyAge · 24/06/2026 17:48

And under the US constitution their right to do this is protected.

It's more than the law can't require them to act in ways that conflict with their religious faith. A similar issue came up when the Affordable Care Act required employers to provide health coverage that paid for abortions. That was challenged by Catholic organizations with lay employees and struck down.

BrownBookshelf · 24/06/2026 18:20

titchy · 24/06/2026 13:35

Imagine wanting dying women to be forced to share rooms and facilities with men. You’d think the one place TRAs would concede they deserve dignity is their last few days before they die.

Mmm, incredible that anyone who holds such filthy beliefs has the bare faced cheek to moralise to anyone else.

MissConductUS · 24/06/2026 18:22

IwantToRetire · 24/06/2026 17:15

Thanks - really useful to have something from the US!

You're quite welcome. It's not often that being a Yank comes in handy on MN, so I like to help out when I can.

CuriousQueer · 24/06/2026 18:58

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MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 19:14

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You misunderstood -
When I posted:
Relevance - thread - bless - 'dear' - 😉
What on earth are you on about?Translation please!

I was looking for a translation of your:
'Given the relevance of the thread, bless you dear 😉'

I didn't mention Seethlaw at all.

MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 19:17

On the subject of nuns, I've just read this:

Ireland’s oldest woman, Sr Colette Hickey, dies aged 108 – The Irish Times
Sister Colette was born Bridget Hickey in Barracree, Ballinamult, at the foot of the Comeraghs, Co Waterford, on January 31st, 1918. She joined the Good Shepherd Sisters in 1935 when she was 17 years old.
She joined the order initially at its house on Clare Street, Limerick, but after she made her first profession in July 1938 she was appointed to the community in Sunday’s Well, Cork city, where she worked in the bakehouse and kitchen.
In 1972, she opened Edel House, a shelter for women and children on Dyke Parade, Cork, but it later transferred to Grattan Street where it continues to operate today providing accommodation for up to 10 families as well as support services.
Last year as she celebrated her 108th birthday, a spokesperson for Edel House described Sr Colette as “a visionary who planted a seed that blossomed into what we now know as Good Shepherd Cork. Sr Colette has lived a life of profound dedication and impact”.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 24/06/2026 19:19

MissConductUS · 24/06/2026 18:22

You're quite welcome. It's not often that being a Yank comes in handy on MN, so I like to help out when I can.

Yes thanks for the info, it's good to know that having the DoJ on their side will give them more resources to fight the case with, even if it's doesn't guarantee them a win.

If you live so close and you get a chance let them know they have people rooting for them in the UK. 😁

CuriousQueer · 24/06/2026 19:28

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 24/06/2026 23:17

Mischance · 11/04/2026 12:29

Just because god is supposed to have created men and women it does not follow that some who feel more comfortable in a different role should not have our respect.
The old testament belongs to a pre scientific judgemental era and can.safely be ignored.
These nuns have removed themselves from normal life and look after people in a care situation. Their task is to be kind to everyone and respect their preferences, not to waste shed loads of money on law suits.

Ffs.

And how many old and dying people are you caring for?

The day you step up and care for people like they do is the day you get to carp about how they do it.

MarieDeGournay · 25/06/2026 00:03

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Well frankly, yes I am having difficulty keeping up with you, because you keep dodging around rather than responding in a straightforward way!
I asked what you meant by
'Given the relevance of the thread, bless you dear 😉'

It doesn't make any sense, so I asked you to translate it so your meaning was clearer - like what does 'the relevance of the thread' mean?
Relevance of the thread to what?

You've failed to explain it, twice.

And you haven't even attempted to explain why you addressed me as 'dear', or why you wished blessings on me - a very strange way to behave towards somebody you don't know.

CruCru · 25/06/2026 08:08

This thread was pretty interesting before all the derailing.

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