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Catholic sisters in New York sue state over ‘preferred pronouns’ mandate

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IwantToRetire · 10/04/2026 19:53

The Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne have filed a lawsuit against the State of New York, claiming that new gender identity requirements for nursing homes violate their constitutional rights and would force them to act against their Catholic faith.

In a statement, Mother Marie Edward, the congregation’s superior general, said: “We Sisters have taken care of patients from all walks of life, ideologies and faiths. We treat each patient with dignity and Christian charity. We have never had complaints. We cannot implement New York’s mandate without violating our Catholic faith.”

The lawsuit argues that the law compels the sisters to “act against central, unchangeable and architectural teachings of the Catholic faith”. It adds, “The implications are so much greater than whether to utter the words ‘he’ or ‘she’. Indeed, to demand that a Catholic deny another’s sex is to require him or her to affirm another religious worldview.”

The sisters also argue that the law is applied unevenly. The complaint notes that facilities operated by the Church of Christ, Congregationalist, Scientist are exempt, as the statute does not apply to those “whose teachings include reliance on spiritual means through prayer alone for healing”. This, the sisters contend, amounts to unconstitutional discrimination between religious groups.

Full article at https://thecatholicherald.com/article/new-york-sisters-sue-state-over-preferred-pronouns-mandate (behind paywall and not on archive.ph)

New York sisters sue state over ‘preferred pronouns’ mandate

Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne sue New York State, arguing ‘preferred pronouns’ rules force them to act against their Catholic faith

https://thecatholicherald.com/article/new-york-sisters-sue-state-over-preferred-pronouns-mandate

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KilkennyCats · 24/06/2026 14:38

Mischance · 11/04/2026 12:29

Just because god is supposed to have created men and women it does not follow that some who feel more comfortable in a different role should not have our respect.
The old testament belongs to a pre scientific judgemental era and can.safely be ignored.
These nuns have removed themselves from normal life and look after people in a care situation. Their task is to be kind to everyone and respect their preferences, not to waste shed loads of money on law suits.

Shut up, women, and know your place??
If I hear that “be kind” shite one more time I think I’ll spontaneously combust.
It’s only ever demanded to flow in one direction, naturally.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 24/06/2026 15:42

Just because god is supposed to have created men and women it does not follow that some who feel more comfortable in a different role should not have our respect.
The old testament belongs to a pre scientific judgemental era and can.safely be ignored.

You really don't understand how the god thing works do you? and science is on the same side as god on this one, humans only come in 2 types and it is physically impossible for a human to swap from one type to another or to be born 'in the wrong body'.

Their task is to be kind to everyone and respect their preferences, not to waste shed loads of money on law suits.

When god dies and puts you in charge of the world, you can tell the nuns what their 'task' is, until then they stick to their 'good book'.

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IwantToRetire · 24/06/2026 16:35

IrnBruAndDietCoke · 24/06/2026 13:55

Thanks for the update @IwantToRetire
If the DoJ has intervened, does this mean it’s a given that the sisters will win?

Personally I wouldn't know. And, as this is the US there are some people saying the DoJ is only doing this to please Trump.

I would hope they are doing it because they support the right of the nurses as the care givers to decide how they want to provide the care.

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MissConductUS · 24/06/2026 16:36

IrnBruAndDietCoke · 24/06/2026 13:55

Thanks for the update @IwantToRetire
If the DoJ has intervened, does this mean it’s a given that the sisters will win?

Yank here. No, having the DoJ involved does not mean an automatic win for the Sisters. It does mean that they have more resources to fight the law in court. Ultimately, the Federal judge hearing the case will decide if the New York law is unconstitutional. The losing side then has the option of appealing to the Supreme Court, which may or may not want to hear the appeal.

I suspect that the law will be struck down as unconstitutional. The freedom of religious practice is in the Bill of Rights. When the courts place restrictions on those rights, they must do so in the least restrictive manner possible. The NY law is quite heavy-handed, with a whole laundry list of things it mandates and prohibits LTC facilities from doing. That alone is probably enough to get it struck down.

It dismays me that people think their rights are absolute, even when exercising them infringes on others' rights. Your right to swing your fist stops at the other person's nose. Thankfully, we have the courts to sort it out.

By the way, I'm familiar with the Sisters of Hawthorne. I live about 20 minutes away from their center. I'm sure they treat their trans patients with dignity and respect. Their religious principles require it. So the law wasn't intended to rectify a real problem. It was intended to prioritize the rights of a few over the rights of the many.

IwantToRetire · 24/06/2026 16:39

The Department of Justice (DoJ) intervened to support the Dominican Sisters of Hawthorne primarily on the grounds of constitutional religious freedom and the Fourteenth Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, rather than an unprompted effort to attack New York. 1, 2]

The DoJ's involvement focuses on two key arguments:
Unequal Protection: The DoJ argues that the New York mandate (the LGBTQ+ Long-Term Care Facility Residents' Bill of Rights) is unconstitutional because it forces religious facilities to meet standards that violate their faith. The complaint notes that the state permits facilities to deny opposite-sex room assignments based on secular clinical judgments (e.g., psychological harm), but offers no equivalent accommodations based on religious convictions. 1, 2, 3]

Violation of Religious Beliefs: The sisters operate Rosary Hill Home, a 125-year-old hospice providing free care to indigent cancer patients. They argue that being required to use preferred pronouns, assign rooms by gender identity rather than biological sex, and allow opposite-sex individuals into female-only spaces forces them to directly violate their Catholic faith. src="https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/rF_W89OMexw" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen> 1, 2, 3, 4]

While New York officials have publicly characterized the federal intervention as a politically motivated attack on the state by the Trump administration, the official legal basis for the DoJ's intervention is based on defending religious liberty and challenging state laws that allegedly force religious organizations to abandon their core tenets. 1, 3]

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KilkennyCats · 24/06/2026 16:45

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Oh, bog off

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 24/06/2026 16:48

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Catholic Genderist

FIFY

CuriousQueer · 24/06/2026 16:49

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Oh, bog off

Brunchatstephanies · 24/06/2026 16:52

I love when one ideology comes against another ideology. Let the battle of ideas commence.

CuriousQueer · 24/06/2026 16:53

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Bless. I think our definitions of 'genderist' may differ😁

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MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 17:05

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I take it from this that you haven't done much research into relevant Catholic doctrine, before claiming it is narrow, rigid, intolerant, etc.

“DIGNITAS INFINITA” the 2024 Declaration 'On Human Dignity', is a good place to start.
I don't agree with significant parts of it, but the underlying tone contradicts your suggestion that Catholic doctrine is essentially narrow, rigid or irrationally intolerant.
I wouldn't even call the parts of Dignitas Infinita that I profoundly disagree with as 'narrow' rigid' or 'intolerant' - they based are on deeply-held and thoroughly-researched ethics and morality, which I disagree with.

But I respect the underlying tone. Maybe you will too.

MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 17:07

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Reporting for duty, Ma'am!
See mine of 17.05Smile

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 24/06/2026 17:12

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Would you like to expand on that? Give us some examples of how (your view of) our 'ideology' differs from reality. We are always open to learning here.

CuriousQueer · 24/06/2026 17:13

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IwantToRetire · 24/06/2026 17:14

Just occasionally it would be nice if a thread about a particular situation (ie Catholic carers against the State) be about that.

We dont have to reply for to someone who clearly isn't concerned about these women by bothering to reply to their off topic "observations". If they really cared they would start a thread about the conflict? contradictions? of religious faith in the 21st century.

Dont feed the trolls - this is why they keep coming back

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IwantToRetire · 24/06/2026 17:15

MissConductUS · 24/06/2026 16:36

Yank here. No, having the DoJ involved does not mean an automatic win for the Sisters. It does mean that they have more resources to fight the law in court. Ultimately, the Federal judge hearing the case will decide if the New York law is unconstitutional. The losing side then has the option of appealing to the Supreme Court, which may or may not want to hear the appeal.

I suspect that the law will be struck down as unconstitutional. The freedom of religious practice is in the Bill of Rights. When the courts place restrictions on those rights, they must do so in the least restrictive manner possible. The NY law is quite heavy-handed, with a whole laundry list of things it mandates and prohibits LTC facilities from doing. That alone is probably enough to get it struck down.

It dismays me that people think their rights are absolute, even when exercising them infringes on others' rights. Your right to swing your fist stops at the other person's nose. Thankfully, we have the courts to sort it out.

By the way, I'm familiar with the Sisters of Hawthorne. I live about 20 minutes away from their center. I'm sure they treat their trans patients with dignity and respect. Their religious principles require it. So the law wasn't intended to rectify a real problem. It was intended to prioritize the rights of a few over the rights of the many.

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Thanks - really useful to have something from the US!

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HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 24/06/2026 17:18

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No, you are supposed to be telling us how our view of reality is wrong.

MarieDeGournay · 24/06/2026 17:21

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No, let's not - let's respect children's spaces, let adults use their own paddling pools!

Transwomen are not women, as I'm sure many posters will assert, because they are biologically male, and that's pretty obvious and uncontroversial for anybody who approaches the topic with a mind open to observable and demonstrable facts.

And CuriousQueer - are you ignoring my post about Catholic doctrine not being as rigid and narrow as you seem to think it is?
Is that because it wasn't quite Proustian enough for you - sorry, I'm out of madeleines today....😒

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 24/06/2026 17:23

IwantToRetire · 24/06/2026 17:14

Just occasionally it would be nice if a thread about a particular situation (ie Catholic carers against the State) be about that.

We dont have to reply for to someone who clearly isn't concerned about these women by bothering to reply to their off topic "observations". If they really cared they would start a thread about the conflict? contradictions? of religious faith in the 21st century.

Dont feed the trolls - this is why they keep coming back

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I'm so sorry. I had no idea that you owned FWR and all the threads therein. I shall delete my account and bow out👋

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