feminism or transphobia?

[giraffezoo]

Long time lurker of this forum, first time poster.

I have read through many of the threads on here and I have to say there are lots of views that I find quite shocking.

There almost seems to be two sides of the ‘gender critical’ movement on here that I can see.

The first seems quite reasonable. They wish to have protections in place for women and their rights. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree (e.g. trans folk in toilets, transgender prisoners etc) they are stating a view based on safety and women’s rights.

The second bunch are the ones who I find myself disagreeing with, and who post things that I personally consider as transphobic. Some examples of this would be: refusing to use someone’s pronouns or citing being transgender as a mental illness which needs to be cured.

I feel that the first group are genuinely feminists who are concerned with women’s rights, and feel as though they need to speak out on their own concerns. The second group are masquerading under the pretence of feminism to say hateful or controversial things.

I am interested to hear other views on this point (and I’m sure there will be a lot here who don’t agree with me!)

I don’t have to be nice to a group of men who have zero respect for women, these men or any other manosphere dweller.

I think bigots are People who mock and belittle those who are different to them and I do see this here.

So you do believe women get rape threats from members of this group but think it’s equally important that these men shouldn’t have to hear analogies based on lemons?

No you don’t. I can’t force you. I don’t want to because I believe in autonomy and consent.
what I can do is refuse to take part in it if I don’t agree with it, as you do in your life

@mattala are other fruits ok for analogy or is no fruit acceptable?

You are tone policing. You are trying to deflect from the accuracy of the point being made by criticising the language it is couched in.

I think lowering yourself to anyone’s level is counterproductive if you want real systemic change yes

No one is forcing you to participate in lemon analogies, are they.

Im not tone policing im metaphor policing actually. 😘 not the way you’re saying it it’s what you’re saying. Try again

so have you told trans Reddit or trans bluesky this yet or is it just women you are interested in scolding?

I wouldn’t even have a conversation with a tra who made rape threats. I would report to the police, name and shame online and move on - not policing your reaction. You asked what I would do so I told you. You react how you like

I’m glad this poster has at least acknowledged that some members of this group threaten to rape women that they don’t approve of, and tacitly acknowledged that it probably is worse than making a lemon based analogy about gender identity ideology. Progress!

I never said they didn’t. Please don’t take credit for non existent progress.

So that’s a no to trans Reddit then. But you’ll come on here and scold women for not being nice to men? Cos that’s just as bad as men threatening rape and violence. Ok then.

”THEY THREATEN TO RAPE USSSSSS”

In my opinion, this is not just highlighting what is said. This is written in a mocking tone, and style.

This is not neutrally discussing an interaction.

Not taking credit, just observing progress in action

As a charity sector worker I also have an issue with the recent spate of GC led charity sector persecutions / legal threats, but will possibly leave that for another time!

As a rape survivor, I have a huge issue with women being denied single-sex support by charities set up to provide women-only services. How about you put the needs of your service users first?

+1

I don’t think this stands up as a reason to lower yourself to this level. Thats why it was highlighted in this way.
i believe they threaten to rape you: I believe they probably would given the chance. So I personally wouldn’t go there

Can you give any examples of where women have lowered themselves to that level.

But you wouldn’t be “lowering yourself” to the level of creepy rapey abusive men just by making a lemon based analogy about gender identity ideology, would you? You’d have to threaten violence to them. It’s not just an insult, it’s a threat.

Not on this thread no and I never said that anyone had. I explained my personal philosophy and why I don’t engage with any insulting or mocking behaviour.

youbguys are the ones who’ve gotten very defensive about this! I didn’t even use transphobia or hate - I used mean. Which mocking behaviour can be and I gave an example of that I see regularly

Yet, you did write this in a mocking way. You may not have intended to, but it comes across as deliberately mocking.

I agree that this comes across as mocking.

@mattala have your considered that your posts aren't coming across as you intend, as so many people are misunderstanding them? I've had the same issue in the past so have to think more carefully about how I word things at times.

I just think it’s mean and I don’t want to do it.