Transgender hate on mum's net

[Steph2002]

I'm just wondering, I see so much hate on here about transgender woman and not a lot about transgender men. Does everyone on mum's net hate Transgender women and if so why? I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman in fact my best friend is a transgender woman and she is the nicest person you could ever wish to meet and will protect any woman no matter where they are. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man, which seems the way people want to go why? Am I the only person on here that supports trans gender women, if so I need to leave. How many people that hate Transgender women have actually met one and had issues with one I'd love to know.

Simply having had radical surgery to remodel one's genitals does not turn a man into a woman; plus there are many AGP men who do go as far as genital surgery, but that still does not mean that the motives for transition are not sexually driven. Even men with dysphoria around their penis can still have a sexualised image of 'womanhood' in their mind. I've seen it. And women here have been married to such men.

Yep. Must be quiet over on Reddit. And it’s the Easter school holidays here.

Sorry, haven't rtft so this point may have been made. No hate here, I feel very sorry for people struggling with their mental health as people with gender dysphoria do.
The difficulty is, we can't tell the nice trans identified males from the 75% who have agp and all those others who present a safeguarding risk. So we have to keep all males out, the risk is too great. We prioritise all women over allowing any men in single sex spaces. This means that no women need to self exclude from single sex spaces for cultural, religious or any other reasons, as they should not encounter males in those spaces, regardless of how they dress/appear/identify.

It's also about compelled speech and forced acceptance of a lie. Namely that we (women) can never tell (that a transwoman is exactly that.)
Well, obviously I cannot disprove it entirely but I can say that I have noticed many transwomen who were obviously and definitely men. (And those might not venture into women’s spaces just because of that. I would hope so, anyway.)
But this shows that ‘you can never tell’ is a lie. We can tell, even if not always. But often we can and it is an uncomfortable feeling, and awkward, even scary, if they are in spaces where men should not be.
And I don’t believe we should be made to feel that way when we are in what should be our safe spaces.

Precisely this.

@deadpantrashcan
If a "stunning" woman goes into a male toilet she gets "raped in seconds"? Really? What if I went in? I guess I'd be safe because I'm not stunning enough?

You do know that rape is not about sexual attraction right? If this hypothetical gents' populated by very fast rapists exists, any woman would be in danger in there, not just "stunning" ones.

Oh, and your male Thai friend sans penis, I wouldn't "hate" him at all. Nor would I be "phobic" of him. I'd probably feel sorry for him. I certainly would have no problem socialising with him, working with him etc. I bet he is very interesting to talk to. But I don't consent for him to be in female-only spaces. If other women, like you, do, that does not override my lack of consent.

@Wonderingaboutthing saying something is the case "in my eyes" when that thing is actually not true, does not make it true. In my eyes I am still 35 and fit as a fiddle....

What are you on about? Knowing that humans don’t change sex is not hate. Transwomen are men and transmen are women. We don’t hate transwomen anymore than we hate all other men. What we hate is the attempts from men to destroy our boundaries and our rights to single sex spaces, services and opportunities.

I don’t hate transgender women. I do think there are issues that need to be sorted out so we can all
live contentedly together-and I think that extremists on BOTH sides have polarised the issue so much that there is no forum where those issues can be sensibly sorted out. I also think that while most trans people just get on with their lives and go unnoticed about their business, it is easier for trans men to do that simply because lots of women wear stereotype “men’s” clothes, jeans and t shirts and so on, so nobody would pay attention to a feminine looking man, while a masculine looking woman will always stand out more. Particularly as there is a subset of trans women who like to wear very stereotyped women’s clothes-either sexy or girly. And also- transmen seem in general to be less inclined to campaign, or to want to occupy traditional men’s spaces. So they are less noticeable. Which presumably is what they want? Also, there is an argument about privilege-women have fought very hard over the years to gain freedoms and get to do traditional male things-it is galling to see transwomen taking those hard won freedoms without actually having been part of the battle. Seeing transwomen taking the “token woman” slot is, I have to say, infuriating! Sorry for the brain dump.

Imane Khelif's DSD was known about in 2022/23, when the IBA carried out two lots of lab tests on both Khelif and Lin, who were consequently found to have the same 46 XY 5-ard condition. The IOC had full knowledge of these tests and tried to discredit the IBA, simply because of the organisation's links to Russia. Despite knowing about the lab tests, the IOC let both these boxers compete in the women's category, with the inevitable result.

https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2025/6/1/xxyetyl1aewfij823hnfdrsbi1sqjm

@Steph2002 I don't mind sharing a toilet space with a transgender woman […]. I would hate to be sharing a toilet with a hairy masculine transgender man

So the question is which is more reasonable, rational and workable: to segregate intimate spaces based on sex (the standard MN GC position), or based on hairiness and presentation (your position).

Some people will always “hate” sharing for all sorts of reasons. Your type of hate (hairy, butch types), others on race, maybe religion, class, etc.

Policymakers need to look beyond that, and work out when segregation matters and why. Sex is a far, far more rational and well-evidenced basis than your proposed alternative.

From this article:

"I have female hormones. And people don't know this, but I have taken hormone treatments to lower my testosterone levels for competitions," the 26-year-old Algerian said in the interview published Wednesday.
Khelif confirmed she has the SRY gene, located on the Y chromosome that indicates masculinity.
"Yes, and it's natural," she said, adding that she is "surrounded by doctors, a professor is monitoring me... For the Paris Games qualifying tournament, which took place in Dakar, I lowered my testosterone levels to zero". [side note - he would have become very ill had he actually reduced to zero testosterone, as woman need it and produce it too, albeit in much smaller quantities than men]

So there we have it. JK Rowling and everyone else who suspected that Imane Khelif was a man with a DSD was right. We know this from experience - in 2016 the women’s 800m three medal winners were all men with DSDs. The rules at the time allowed this, so unscrupulous coaches and scouts went looking for these types of men so that they could win medals. It’s bad enough that women have been denied their rightful medals, but putting a female boxer up against Khelif’s much greater strength could easily result in massive harm to the woman in the ring.

Getting raped in men's toilets is just one of the many sexual fetishes that autogynephiles push. So the person you are replying to is either an AGP or has been listening to one and incorporated this rubbish into their worldview.

And imagine thinking that "men are so dangerous no woman should be around them in the toilets so I, a man who pretends to be a woman will be accessing women's toilets" is some sort of argument 🙄 JFC

The IOC had a press conference about Khelif during the Olympics where they said that this was not a DSD issue. They then later issued a correction to the effect that they were incorrect and should have said it was not a trans issue thus confirming that Khelif has a DSD.

Khelif has the same DSD as Caster Semanya- the man who we were told was a woman with naturally high testosterone when he is in fact a man with an absolutely normal male level of testosterone

Well goodness this thread has fair rushed through the bingo card hasn't it

@plainjanesuperbrain2026 yes you are so right, that super-rapid rape scenario does feel very AGP indeed.

Exactly.

Trans identified males have also led the charge to erase our spaces, erase our language, take our sports, even taking our rape crisis centres and have their feelings put ahead of ours at every turn.

It’s the literal definition of patriarchal oppression.

Yes, lots of hatred and abuse for women who won't kowtow to nonsense and give up their rights, which is pretty typical for transactivists.

And lots of speaking the truth and making clear and valid points, which is pretty typical for the majority of humanity who know that men aren't women.

It’s really strange to imply that the blokes in the men’s toilets will immediately forget what they went in there for if a ladyboy comes in and be compelled to ravish him.

And should we extrapolate that stunningly attractive women are more likely to be raped than those of us who are average looking or less attractive? What a load of bollocks.

Women tend to speak clearly about this as they're aren't trying to bend reality and manipulate language to fit it. TRAs are, hence the nonsensical screeds of waffle and no clear definitions. Because they can't give them.

If that therefore comes over as blunt, well, that's life.

I'm mostly amused that in 2026 some people seem to think genetic testing is some sort of wizardry.

Every time there is a post about trans issues it is from a GC perspective and spirals into a lot of people with the same opinion backing each other up.

In real life, same as you, the trans women I have met through work have been lovely. The only trans man I know of is the sibling of someone I used to work with and he seems so much happier and more confident than he was before transitioning.

I think the posts are often so theoretical that they forget the real people. The only people who have every made me feel uncomfortable, unsafe, or have sexually assaulted or exposed themselves to me when I was a teenager have all been cis men.

I'm baffled why there seems to be a campaign to mark sex testing for athletes as something extremely invasive and undesirable. I thought it was just a cheek swab, but I'm seeing people saying this everywhere at the moment.

In what sense? I am not sure what you mean?

I know several transpeople, one of them being my best friend since primary school who is as lovely a person as you would ever wish to meet, and I'm still gender critical. It doesn't matter how lovely a transwoman might be, they are still male at the end of the day, and women need their single-sex spaces to be protected.