Do you feel that gender identity exists and is innate?

[FairHippopotama]

In progressive circles, there's the concept of 'gender identity' where everyone has a gender (not necessarily corresponding to their sex) that is unchangeable and inherent to them as a person. Do you agree with this? Why or why not?

"Be kind" is primarily used to stop women (sex) having boundaries, and oppress them when they speak their minds about biological facts. That is very sexist, and thus regressive.

You think countries have gender identities.

I think you're.missing the full force of the word "identity" in the phrase "gender identity". The phrase doesn't refer to an awareness of how one is generally treated by our sexist society - of course every adult is aware of that. It is instead used to mean a natural internal sense of how one should be treated, ie a set of sexist roles and assumptions that one feels a natural affinity to.

Gender doesn't harm Womens Rights. But Gender ideology which proposes that your gender identitiy is superior to your sex does harm womens rights.

For example females have roughly the equivilent upper body strength to that of the average 12 year old male. Meaning that women cannot defend themselves adequately when attacked. This makes them vulnerable in spaces where they are most likely to be attacked- private spaces, alone with a male, when they are removing their clothes.

Gender ideology does not take that into account.

Up until a few years ago the main group of people who transitioned were middle aged men. Now it’s moved to young women. It’s not realistic to think only these specific groups had some sort of innate Gender identity which was opposite to their sex. Why them and no one else? I think there are many reasons why people want to transition but I don’t think it’s some innate sense of gender.

None of which has anything to do with gender.
I'm treated as I am because of my sex, which is female.
Nobody has assigned a gender identity to me.
I was observed to be female at birth and my sex was thus recorded.

I think you're talking about a sex identity, not a gender identity. I know I'm a woman (that's my sex identity) and I know that my experiences are different from those of men because of my sex.

I think that's what you're referring to. That has absolutely nothing to do with 'gender identity', which is a novel concept that everyone has this gender identity which may or may not match their sex. This is the idea that, for example, a man may have a woman gender identity, which means he thinks he feels more like a woman than a man and that everyone should treat him as though he is actually a woman.

Yep and his twin who was part of the "experiments" was used to simulate sex acts on his brother to train him to be female.
David did kill himself and his brother died from an accidental drugs overdose

But how can you form your identity outside of how you are treated?

Correct me if I’m wrong
sex - biological. What you were born as. Determined by dna
gender - how society expects you to behave because of your sex. How that influences how you are treated

have I got it wrong?

@FairHippopotama Why should I help you write your essay or provide you with data for some half-baked research project?

I'd argue that having or not having a sense of gender identity may well be akin to having the ability (or possibly even need?) to believe in some sort of deity.

I can't believe in any deity. I've tried, but there's nothing there. Trying to "open my heart to Jesus" felt like tuning a radio but getting only static on all frequencies.

With gender identity, I can understand the body dysphoria and thinking that the grass would be greener on the other side, because autistic puberty is traumatic and female sex characteristics are frequently physically uncomfortable (boobs get in the way, bras dig in, period pains). There are advantages to the male body too, such as peeing standing up without needing a special funnel. I can completely understand rejecting your sexed body because I've struggled a lot with mine, to the point of a level of body dysphoria that I interpreted initially as gender dysphoria.

But the idea that I'm not allowed nail varnish or would have to fake an interest in football appeals to me about as much as being compelled to wear school skirts and having to fake an interest in the Kardashians. Yet, it's behavioural expectations that are cited so often by gender ideologues as motives to transition.

Yes.

No. There is sex, personality and sexual orientation.

How society expects you to behave isn't a gender identity. It will impact you in many ways but it is not your identity.

Ok well that’s a lot of education wasted 😂😂

i personally think this is so pervasive. we’re bombarded all day every day. Sometimes I think we’re in brave new world and social media is telling us what to aspire too. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on the extent the brainwashing works. Nobody in my view is exempt from this gender stuff and messsging

I think some people - a very small number - have some issues to do with actual body dysmorphia, as in they think their body "should" be different (to some extent, who doesn't? ).

On another level we have huge swathes of people who can't differentiate between stereotypical character traits for each sex and the sexes themselves.

The two things seem to get all muddled together under this not very specific thing called gender identity.

Oh wow. That's worse, far worse, than I was already aware of.

Last time I looked, little boys weren't coerced into molesting their sisters to train them to be female. Disregarding any iatrogenic injury, that is child abuse.

Identity is arguably informed by experiences. Although how much personality is determined by genetics vs the environment is another debate

Nothing wrong with that, but the OP wasn't about sex or gender. It was about 'gender identity'.

What do you think 'gender identity' is?

Is it your view that a person's gender identity is how much or little they conform to society's expectations based on their sex

That's interesting. I don't know if you're right or wrong, I'll have to think about my thoughts a bit more.
But it's an interesting idea.

Correct me if I’m wrong
sex - biological. What you were born as. Determined by dna
gender - how society expects you to behave because of your sex. How that influences how you are treated
have I got it wrong?

I think I largely agree with that? When we say things are "gendered" we are normally talking about societal expectations placed on us based on our sex?
That's why it's harmful, because a great deal of people don't behave as sexist people expect them to.

Edit - but 'gender' to me is different from "gender identity' if we're being accurate with our language (which I'm not always!)

No my view is how they’ve informed their opinion of themselves and how they interact with the world based on their experiences of how society has treated them