Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

Yep. And it's very notable that even when the people who disagree with them are undeniably women - such as the majority of swimmers at Hampstead Women's pond who voted to keep the ponds trans-inclusive - the GC movement still thinks it has a right to override them. Presumably they think the poor dears just don't know their own minds and need someone else to make decisions for them, It's very paternalist and very difficult to square with any claims to be a genuine feminist movement.

Ok - last time for me on this thread...

I think it would be useful to have a specific prison for trans inmates. Two wings - one for trans men, one for trans women.

And I do agree that trans women shouldn't compete with biological / natal women in elite sport. I think they have an unfair advantage.

@ScaryFaces rite not right - definitions matter

Ah...get ya...thank you :)

I’m not Helen Joyce though so….

The ideology is absolutely damaging to a sane society. But what adults choose to do to themselves is their business as long as it doesn’t impose any demands on everyone else. Understand?

And it’s absolutely nothing like people who are anti-gay considering that GI is homo and lesbo phobic.

@IggyPopsPlasticTrousers What is the cost to the public purse of constructing a new prison for trans prisoners? Is this something you'd recommend a party campaigns on? My first question is, what are we cutting to build a trans-prison?

Here's the full conversation: "Wine with Women ep. 4: Helen Joyce" m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_u1MQFjxvI

She is discussing women losing medal, children being sterilised on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, and where women and girls were being shamed and coerced into saying they believe that a man with a beard is a woman.

"We can't win this by saying you know there's 60 x million people in this country and we've got to persuade all of them or a great majority of them. We've got to get through to the decision makers and in the meantime while we're trying to get through to the decision makers we have to try to limit the harm. And that means reducing or keeping down the number of people who transition and that's for two reasons. One of them is that every one of those people is a person who's been damaged."

"But the second one is every one of those people is basically, you know, a huge problem to a sane world. Like if you've got people that and whether they're transitioned whether they're happily transitioned, whether they're unhappily transitioned, whether they're de-transitioned. If you've got people who've dissociated from their sex in some way, every one of those people is someone who needs special accommodation."

"In a sane world where we re-acknowledge the the truth of sex and I mean the people who've been damaged by it. The children have been put through this. Those people deserve every accommodation we can possibly make but every one of them is a difficulty, yes. And I mean I know that sounds heartless..I'm trying to say exactly the opposite of sounding heartless. I'm saying every one of those people for 50, 60, 70 years is going to need things that the rest of us just don't need, because the rest of us are just our sex."

Since this video, the UK government has actually listened to the women she refers to who wrote to their MPs about puberty blockers, we had the Cass review and puberty blockers are still not being prescribed on the NHS for gender identity. We have also had several court cases where it has been established that women no longer have to refer to their abusers as 'women' and use female language for them.

We have also had governments who said that female prisoners should not be sharing female prisons with male prisoners because those male prisoners say they are female.

We have also just had the IOC publish a new policy that should mean that no more female athletes are losing their sporting opportunities.

What do you believe she was referring to back in 2022? Maybe rather than demanding that 'I' produce the transcript, maybe you could explain just what she said. I mean, I also believe that she has clarified since that she did not say this because she believed that people with transgender identities should not exist.

"Our ploppers"
Also known as people on the thread, ordinary posters, just not automatically going along with every single thing said.
We're back to the "othering" , the desperate attempts of trying to tar everyone the same again" part of the script, aren't we 😜

Sensible propositions. Transwomen are already housed in the sex offenders wing in Edinburgh in Scotland.

Wonderful.

"I think it would be useful to have a specific prison for trans inmates. Two wings - one for trans men, one for trans women."

This was suggested by feminist many years ago. A specific wing was also built, at Downview Prison. It was rejected at one time by those male people. I think they have lost that campaign and it is now being used for purpose.

However, women here were suggesting this very thing before that wing was built.

"And I do agree that trans women shouldn't compete with biological / natal women in elite sport. I think they have an unfair advantage."

And again... you and many others on this board agree!

So, please tell us more about those 'compromises' that extreme women simply haven't suggested and that is why feminists saying that single sex provisions should remain single sex are just like the men who abuse us and threaten rape? Which is what you have effectively argued with your 'both sides' argument.

Please now answer:

Do you believe that female people should have refuges, shelters and rape crisis support and care that is female only? If not, what compromises should female people be making?

Do you believe that female people should have to undress in a communal changing room with a male person?

Not seen lots of deletions on this thread and I've read it all, unless they've only just started up

Thank you for sharing that. As the full quote shows, Helen Joyce most certainly did say and most certainly did mean exactly what I said she did. Btw, you've missed off the final sentence, where she added "So the fewer of these people there are, the better." Not sure why you're asking me to explain what she said, since it's perfectly clear in her own words.

If some women cannot use a mixed sex space, then making a female space mixed sex excludes them.

Either [some] males are excluded or [some] females are.

I choose. to support the women in that scenario.

Thank you again for answering.

Do you realise that the current Green's leadership reject these very things that you support?

And do you realise now that you actually agree with the majority of the UK population on those issues, just like the Polling data that I posted for you to read suggests?

You claimed to support the progressive beliefs of that young generation, yet, your own opinions align on these issues with the majority opinion of this board. Yet you have positioned yourself as the reasonable person and others as being 'extreme'.

Have you been in the wine again mate? Maybe it’s not so much “anti trans” pieces, but people becoming more aware of trans allies posting things like “women should be raped with a splintery rolling pin” if they don’t allow men into female spaces. That’s not the way to win hearts and minds. I mean, I could compare it to fascists or Nazis but that’s been so over done.

The women don't want your support, they have voted overwhelmingly for you to leave them alone and let them get on with swimming. I have friends who swim at the ponds, they are absolutely infuriated that people who have never dipped a toe in the water and never intend to think they can legally dictate who gets included in the space. It is paternalistic and patronising and shows no regard for a space that women value and use.

We have no idea how many women who use Hampstead Women’s Pond responded to the consultation nor how they responded. We only know the total number of respondents and their % responses. They were not all from women who use the ponds. They were definitely not all from people who use the Ponds.

Because you seem to have taken a very bad faith interpretation of her words.

I disagree that they said what you have tried to imply.

"So the fewer of these people there are, the better." And again, she was referring to children here I believe. Because prior to this she and Helen were discussing social transitioning.

And adding this: she also clearly states it here:

"In a sane world where we re-acknowledge the the truth of sex and I mean the people who've been damaged by it. The children have been put through this.

Do you believe that children should be put on puberty blockers and cross sex hormones?

The EQA 2010 states that if a service is designated and advertised for a specific sex, then it has to be for that sex and not mixed sex.

It's UK law which service providers are legally obliged to follow. You must see the issues if service providers refuse to follow the EQA2010, surely?

Service providers like the Ponds can have a tantrum if they want to but they must follow the law regardless.

Gender critical means critical of gender stereotypes….its a social construct and changes over time and countries

its been twisted now and the meaning changes from person to person

son in law thought it meant that someone GC liked gender stereotypes 😒

Oh dude. Given your rapey threats, I'd maybe sit down if I were you.

I'm not referring to the consultation, I'm referring to the member's association vote: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-6849484