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Justme56 · 06/04/2026 18:46

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/04/2026 18:27

I always think I’ve heard the most selfish and arrogant thing from these men until I hear the next one:

https://x.com/Sidewalk_Steve/status/2040188025490088279
"I think that it's important to know that my dignity means more to me than I think privacy means to any cisgender woman supporting this bill." Hazel Kane NH HB1442

For non TwiX users:
https://nitter.net/Sidewalk_Steve/status/2040188025490088279

You obviously haven’t met Tanya!

Men dressing as women; what really motivates them.
TempestTost · 07/04/2026 02:03

moto748e · 05/04/2026 22:34

I am very reluctant to peer into the soup that is the male sexual psyche

I'm a man, and so am I. I think the worry is that deviant behaviour, for want of a better term, is increasingly being normalised by the lack of previous social constraints. It's OK to dress up like a porn star to go to work, it's OK to invade women's spaces, etc. Of course, it's not OK at all.

I think that part of what may be going on is that society is now producing more people with fetishes and other paraphilia than it used to. Even in women, though mainly in men. And I think it's important to look into what is going on with these people so we can understand what in society has created this. Porn is clearly x major part of it, but not the only thing. And the reason we see so much porn openly used is in part because of ideas we have adopted about sexual freedom and the psychological effects of sexual objectification.
If we don't start trying to till these things back it will be much more difficult to deal with increasingly common sexual problems.

OldCrone · 07/04/2026 08:36

TempestTost · 07/04/2026 02:03

I think that part of what may be going on is that society is now producing more people with fetishes and other paraphilia than it used to. Even in women, though mainly in men. And I think it's important to look into what is going on with these people so we can understand what in society has created this. Porn is clearly x major part of it, but not the only thing. And the reason we see so much porn openly used is in part because of ideas we have adopted about sexual freedom and the psychological effects of sexual objectification.
If we don't start trying to till these things back it will be much more difficult to deal with increasingly common sexual problems.

What is going on, as @moto748e said, is that these things have become socially acceptable and normalised. People with fetishes and paraphilias are being created and encouraged by a society which says it's OK to behave in that way.

People's behaviour is shaped and constrained by the society they live in. If something is frowned on or illegal, fewer people will do it. If it's seen as socially acceptable, more people will do it.

If you think you're the only person in the world with a particular paraphilia, you might try to hide it. If you can go online and find loads of other people just like you, you're more likely to flaunt it yourself online or even in public.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 07/04/2026 11:13

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JellySaurus · 07/04/2026 12:42

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/04/2026 15:14

I'm of the opinion that watching people, who describe themselves as aligned with the self-styled empathetic and virtuous side of the political divide, taking pleasure in the spousal abuse and humiliation of a woman, whose politics they disagree with, are probably storing up negative karma for themselves in the future.

The entire point of universal human rights is that even people we can't stand are allowed to have them. The entire point of feminism is that even women we can't stand are allowed to benefit from rights & protections won for women.

I'm not trying to be pious when I say this, I struggle with the idea of human rights, feminism, and equality under the law benefitting some awful human beings who feel no obligation towards bettering society or towards their fellow humans. But the way I see it, the alternatives to this way of thinking are too grim to contemplate and we see them played out in countries all around the world where these concepts have no political standing and human life has very little value, especially if that human life is female.

One of the reasons the SC ruling is so important. Trans-identifying women, who want to be treated as men, still need maternity provision. If they are imprisoned they still need to be in a female jail. If they are competing in sport they still need to be able to compete against their physical peers.

We do not say that they lose their rights as women just because they have turned their backs on women. Feminism and women’s rights are for all female humans, for women and girls..

Easytoconfuse · 07/04/2026 15:46

ThatsCute · 06/04/2026 12:01

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. “Women” don’t need to be “punished.” Men aren’t “entitled” to act this way. Neither are true.

What IS true is that Kirsty Noem trampled on the civil rights of thousands of US citizens, took delight in it, and deserves her karma. Regardless of whether she’s a male or female. I have no sympathy that the shitstain on the Constitution married a piece of shit man. Quelle surprise. Just like I would have zero sympathy for any other piece of shit human being (male or female) who found themselves in the same situation—Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Gislane Maxwell, Andrew Mountbatten, etc. Poor excuses of human beings get zero sympathy from me when bad things happen in their lives.

What if they're not guilty? Everyone jumped to believe Nick Beech and condemn Tory Politicians and generals and he turned out to be a liar. Did his victims deserve that because they didn't share the political beliefs of the people who gleefully condemned them?

Pingponghavoc · 07/04/2026 16:23

ThatsCute · 06/04/2026 12:01

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. “Women” don’t need to be “punished.” Men aren’t “entitled” to act this way. Neither are true.

What IS true is that Kirsty Noem trampled on the civil rights of thousands of US citizens, took delight in it, and deserves her karma. Regardless of whether she’s a male or female. I have no sympathy that the shitstain on the Constitution married a piece of shit man. Quelle surprise. Just like I would have zero sympathy for any other piece of shit human being (male or female) who found themselves in the same situation—Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Gislane Maxwell, Andrew Mountbatten, etc. Poor excuses of human beings get zero sympathy from me when bad things happen in their lives.

What's karma if not punishment for wrong doing?

She did something wrong, therefore you have no sympathy when she is a victim of something else. There's no logic to the karma or proportion, it not a consequence just coincidence, but you are happy to gloat and repeatedly state you cannot find any sympathy for her.

OldCrone · 07/04/2026 17:16

ThatsCute · 06/04/2026 12:01

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying. “Women” don’t need to be “punished.” Men aren’t “entitled” to act this way. Neither are true.

What IS true is that Kirsty Noem trampled on the civil rights of thousands of US citizens, took delight in it, and deserves her karma. Regardless of whether she’s a male or female. I have no sympathy that the shitstain on the Constitution married a piece of shit man. Quelle surprise. Just like I would have zero sympathy for any other piece of shit human being (male or female) who found themselves in the same situation—Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Gislane Maxwell, Andrew Mountbatten, etc. Poor excuses of human beings get zero sympathy from me when bad things happen in their lives.

So you think it's OK for a man to abuse his wife if you think she's a bad person because that's karma?

Will you also condemn the man for his abuse? You seem to be supporting his appalling behaviour because he's given his wife what you think she deserves.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 07/04/2026 17:59

Quite. No problem with the man's behaviour or treatment of another human. Merely whether or not the victim 'deserves' the abuse according to the poster's own personal politics.

That was the reasoning of the 3rd Reich. Those they politically disliked were subhuman and deserved all they got.

Cailleach1 · 07/04/2026 22:26

Easytoconfuse · 07/04/2026 15:46

What if they're not guilty? Everyone jumped to believe Nick Beech and condemn Tory Politicians and generals and he turned out to be a liar. Did his victims deserve that because they didn't share the political beliefs of the people who gleefully condemned them?

That was very disturbing. When police searched Carl Beech’s (‘Nick’) devices they found he had been making indecent images of children, possessed indecent images of children and engaged in voyeurism as he had recorded a boy going to the toilet. There were class A images amongst them, and he had hundreds and hundreds of images.

Now, remember he had trained as a paediatric nurse, was an NHS manager, and also spoke to youngsters as young as five (he volunteered of course) on behalf of the NSPCC in some sort of ‘stay safe’ programme discussing the dangers of abuse.

Now you think of how many people are invested in breaking down any barriers or safeguarding to allow men to go into women’s and girls changing rooms etc. All these people ostensibly doing this under the banner of being ‘progressive’. Stinks to high heaven, in my opinion anyway.

I have read that predatory men will be drawn to jobs and places which will give them access to their prey. Just give them a guise they can use, and by Jove they are being given carte Blanche at the moment.

K Noem had some sort of extra marital affair. I can’t imagine how awful it would be to have a fetishistic husband. It would make your skin crawl really. Then you think how these creepy, fetishistic men have been celebrated. There were some with a high profile in the last American administration. It is worrying too as fetishes in these men who have them can escalate. It could be very dangerous for women.

TempestTost · 08/04/2026 10:53

OldCrone · 07/04/2026 08:36

What is going on, as @moto748e said, is that these things have become socially acceptable and normalised. People with fetishes and paraphilias are being created and encouraged by a society which says it's OK to behave in that way.

People's behaviour is shaped and constrained by the society they live in. If something is frowned on or illegal, fewer people will do it. If it's seen as socially acceptable, more people will do it.

If you think you're the only person in the world with a particular paraphilia, you might try to hide it. If you can go online and find loads of other people just like you, you're more likely to flaunt it yourself online or even in public.

Yes, this is certainly true, but I think you have to go further downstream, before the paraphilias start to emerge. Though we should be thinking how we minimise the escalation of these things. Making them socially unacceptable is good, but I think individuals affected also need personal strategiies.

But what triggers this kind of sexual response in the first place? I think that it is happening more often, not just that it is allowed to escalate. We know it can happen young, when sexuality is first emergent, maybe even earlier in sexualised environments. It's not a situation such young people affected are creating, it's something they are being exposed to. We should try and minimise these kinds of triggers in our culture.

And adolescents are not taught to think that some sexual thoughts can be unhealthy or dangerous, or that it might be a good idea to control them, or how they might do that. Quite the opposite actually, they are taught that they are not dangerous, it is dangerous to suppress them, and they won't be successful in doing so anyway. All after creating a society riddled with sexualised content in everyday life.

So these kids, when ther are first aware of these feelings or urges, before anyone else is aware, are working from a position of, all sexual urges are ok if you aren't hurting other people, and they are even a part of "who you are" and need to be honoured. And they don't yet have the insight or experience to question that at a time when they might be most likely to be able to do something about it. Because years down the road when it's very established it will be much harder to do anything about it.

JennyShaw · 09/04/2026 16:03

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 07/04/2026 17:59

Quite. No problem with the man's behaviour or treatment of another human. Merely whether or not the victim 'deserves' the abuse according to the poster's own personal politics.

That was the reasoning of the 3rd Reich. Those they politically disliked were subhuman and deserved all they got.

Kristi Noem isn't a victim. Her husband didn't abuse her by having a secret perversion that people found out about. People aren't abusing her by not accepting that she's a victim. Nobody is trying to take her civil rights away. This couple, Kristi and Bryon Noem, are as bad as each other. They get votes by pretending they believe in family values.

murasaki · 09/04/2026 16:06

JennyShaw · 09/04/2026 16:03

Kristi Noem isn't a victim. Her husband didn't abuse her by having a secret perversion that people found out about. People aren't abusing her by not accepting that she's a victim. Nobody is trying to take her civil rights away. This couple, Kristi and Bryon Noem, are as bad as each other. They get votes by pretending they believe in family values.

In this scenario she is. She's found out her husband has an abhorrent fetish in a horrible way.

It's possible to feel sympathy for that while hating her politics.

murasaki · 09/04/2026 16:07

I felt similarly about Charlie Kirk. I disagreed with pretty much everything he said, but at least he sat down to debate it, and killing him was not OK. The gloaters disgusted me.

nutmeg7 · 09/04/2026 17:25

JennyShaw · 09/04/2026 16:03

Kristi Noem isn't a victim. Her husband didn't abuse her by having a secret perversion that people found out about. People aren't abusing her by not accepting that she's a victim. Nobody is trying to take her civil rights away. This couple, Kristi and Bryon Noem, are as bad as each other. They get votes by pretending they believe in family values.

Whether or not someone is a victim is dependant on the scenario under discussion. It is not some sort of permanent status awarded to someone only if they are nice. Being a victim doesn’t involve a moral judgement on someone’s character.

The most horrible person in the world can be the victim of an incident such as assault, fraud, burglary, murder, domestic violence. Just because they are horrible, it doesn’t mean they are not also a victim.

TinselAngel · 09/04/2026 17:32

JennyShaw · 09/04/2026 16:03

Kristi Noem isn't a victim. Her husband didn't abuse her by having a secret perversion that people found out about. People aren't abusing her by not accepting that she's a victim. Nobody is trying to take her civil rights away. This couple, Kristi and Bryon Noem, are as bad as each other. They get votes by pretending they believe in family values.

If I punch you in the face, you are the victim of an assault, no matter how much we dislike each other, or disagree on other topics.

DramaAndBullshit · 09/04/2026 20:23

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/04/2026 15:51

Maybe your post was accidentally deleted, when they actually intended to delete mine..?I think I was far more explicit in my honest descriptions and depictions of the sexual motivations and impulses behind cross dressing and AGP than you had been.

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Yep, feedback on how my post broke guidelines would be helpful, because whilst I don’t remember exactly what I said, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t nasty, just honest.

voidstiles · 09/04/2026 22:51

I don't know about cross-dressing or drag etc, but in terms of transgenderism, here's what I've read up about the brain of a "transsexual". I'll link the document I've taken most of this from at the bottom.
The general findings of neuroscientists relate to an area of the brain known as the 'central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis' (BSTc), a collection of cells in the hypothalamus. Zhou, Hofman, Gooren and Swaab (1997) suggest that there are differences in the brain based on sex, and their research suggests that the BSTc is larger in volume in males than females. Various neuroscientists have discovered that in transsexual females, those considered male at birth, but who had a strong conviction that they were female, the BSTc region was similar in size to the female BSTc and transsexuals considered female at birth, but who were certain they were male, had a BSTc volume similar to the male BSTc (Chung et al. 2002).
Furthermore, experiments showed that hormone levels in adulthood did not affect BSTc size. A 46-year-old female with high levels of testosterone due to a tumour had a normal sized BSTc, as did a 31-year-old man with high levels of oestrogen due to a feminizing adrenal tumour.
Anyway this is just some interesting psychological insight into a potential reason or at least a factor. Do I think this is the sole reason for people identifying as transgender? Probably not. But still.

philarchive.org/archive/KILBGA-2

voidstiles · 09/04/2026 23:02

Smartiepants79 · 03/04/2026 10:49

Does anyone personally know of a ‘trans’ man who chooses to dress like your average women in the street? Like jeans and a jumper, leggings and a hoodie, chinos and shirts??
Weirdly this was something I was wondering about recently.

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Don't know them personally but the first person who comes to mind is Brianna Ghey, a 16-year-old trans girl (biologically male) who was murdered. The photos of her suggest she dressed normally. Believe it or not, most trans people are "normal people", not drag queens.

moto748e · 09/04/2026 23:39

And so notable the sympathy and condolences that were offered on MN to Brianna's family. An awful tragedy which shows how many fucked-up kids there are out there. How different to some of the reactions in other SM.

Carla786 · 10/04/2026 06:32

TinselAngel · 09/04/2026 17:32

If I punch you in the face, you are the victim of an assault, no matter how much we dislike each other, or disagree on other topics.

This.

Carla786 · 10/04/2026 06:33

murasaki · 09/04/2026 16:07

I felt similarly about Charlie Kirk. I disagreed with pretty much everything he said, but at least he sat down to debate it, and killing him was not OK. The gloaters disgusted me.

Exactly! Murder is never OK in a civilised society!

Carla786 · 10/04/2026 06:34

nutmeg7 · 09/04/2026 17:25

Whether or not someone is a victim is dependant on the scenario under discussion. It is not some sort of permanent status awarded to someone only if they are nice. Being a victim doesn’t involve a moral judgement on someone’s character.

The most horrible person in the world can be the victim of an incident such as assault, fraud, burglary, murder, domestic violence. Just because they are horrible, it doesn’t mean they are not also a victim.

I think that's key. You get the reverse issue where someone being a victim of one thing means they get treated less critically in other areas. Victimhood needs to be disentangled from general morality.

Carla786 · 10/04/2026 06:34

JennyShaw · 09/04/2026 16:03

Kristi Noem isn't a victim. Her husband didn't abuse her by having a secret perversion that people found out about. People aren't abusing her by not accepting that she's a victim. Nobody is trying to take her civil rights away. This couple, Kristi and Bryon Noem, are as bad as each other. They get votes by pretending they believe in family values.

AGP is always abuse if the person's in a relationship.

Carla786 · 10/04/2026 06:37

JellySaurus · 07/04/2026 12:42

One of the reasons the SC ruling is so important. Trans-identifying women, who want to be treated as men, still need maternity provision. If they are imprisoned they still need to be in a female jail. If they are competing in sport they still need to be able to compete against their physical peers.

We do not say that they lose their rights as women just because they have turned their backs on women. Feminism and women’s rights are for all female humans, for women and girls..

I think it's a bit much to say TIFs have turned their backs on women. They may not suppprt roling back women's rights - you could argue they have via identifying out of womanhood, though...