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Why do leisure centres no longer provide single-sex changing rooms? Women’s Rights Network on the case…

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GreenEyedFeminist · 31/03/2026 08:27

What is it with leisure centres? Why can’t they give us single-sex changing rooms? This WRN X thread lists some of the cases from this year - I bet there are more. I get why families want to share a changing rooms but surely they could design changing rooms that give women and children a bit of privacy and SAFETY as well as a few cubicles for families. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2026 08:12

Single sex changing rooms and opposite sex children has been an issue for decades.
Its probably a bigger issue now 46% of 16 year olds don't live with both parents.

My own mum moaned about the switch to Changing Villages but then said she stopped swimming as a child with her Dad as she didn't want to go into the man's, and he wasn't comfortable with her going into the women's alone.

My friends mum used to sit spectating, doing her knitting while the two DDs were in the pool with Dad. She accompanied the girls in the changing rooms.

So many families don't have the option of both parents being able to accompany children.
But so many kids faff, in changing rooms and really aren't completely independent at getting showered, dried and changed at just turned 8/9 or drying hair.

We live in a world where people are loathed to leave an 8/9 year old to walk home from school alone yet people expect them to be able to navigate a changing room alone.

oldtiredcyclist · 04/05/2026 08:32

Needspaceforlego · 03/05/2026 12:00

Thats easy in toilets.
How easy is that when you are in a different area in a state of undress yourself?

It also goes the other way some Dads won't be comfortable leaving their 8 yo DD to go to ladies alone.

Do you have any idea about the different sex offending rates between men and women?

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2026 08:48

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/05/2026 19:34

If a man offends against a child in a public lavatory, surely it is the business of any decent man to defend that child? If it isn't, why isn't it?

Of course, but there are good reasons why boys up until the age of 8 are permitted to accompany their mother into a female facility. This is a safeguarding measure. Safeguards exist to manage known risks.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2026 08:50

Wearenotborg · 03/05/2026 20:10

So then what do these mothers want? For their sons to be allowed in to female spaces even though that may make women and girls uncomfortable? Are the girls to be collateral damage, or is their comfort and dignity not worthy of respect?

Boys up to the age of 8 are already permitted to accompany their mother.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2026 08:58

Wearenotborg · 03/05/2026 20:18

So women lose out because of men? Instead of men doing work, women lose out and that’s seen as ok cos it’s only women and girls right?

You seem to be stuck in a repetitive loop Yes, these categories exist ( 'men' and 'women') - but simply repeating " men need to deal with it" is not very helpful or providing any solutions to known problems. We still require measures to deal with matters in the meantime. This is why we have single sex spaces and categories - to provide a level of protection and dignity in the face of known issues and risks.

Such issues and risks have always existed and probably always will. How we handle these issues and risks is the question. It is not helpful nor pragmatic to simply say " Leave it for men to deal with".

Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2026 09:04

oldtiredcyclist · 04/05/2026 08:32

Do you have any idea about the different sex offending rates between men and women?

So whats your suggestion to protect young boys 8/9/10 is still very young? Or are thry collateral damage in single sex provision.

How about young girls 8/9/10 who need help getting hair dried but the swimmer in the family is Dad. How are you helping them in single sex provision.

I also use a gym with single sex its not that long ago from i came out to find a Granddad asking were the two girls ok in there.

I don't see how dignity is affected for either sex in unisex changing villages.
They definitely have advantages for families. But I also don't know anywhere with options its either communal single sex or cubicles in a changing village.

Hoardasurass · 04/05/2026 09:39

stichguru · 03/05/2026 20:15

Honestly, leisure centres are damned whatever they do. Given how many articles on Mumsnet in recent weeks have been people deciding that the glance they got of a boy for 30 seconds gives them the right to complain that he went into women's changing rooms, despite the fact they have no idea of his real age, his ability to be safe, not to mention actually change alone, I have every sympathy for places that would rather have one changing room for everyone, than have to cope with complains that they know they don't know about to make judgements on. I honestly think, if I worked for a leisure centre, I'd rather have one change room and be done with it.

And what about the rapes, sexual assaults and filming/voyeurism that women suffer in mixed sex facilities is that an acceptable cost for not having to deal with complaints about men and boys over 7 being in the female facilities? Or should we have some family changing facilities and have single sex facilities that are enforced single sex

Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2026 10:16

Hoardasurass · 04/05/2026 09:39

And what about the rapes, sexual assaults and filming/voyeurism that women suffer in mixed sex facilities is that an acceptable cost for not having to deal with complaints about men and boys over 7 being in the female facilities? Or should we have some family changing facilities and have single sex facilities that are enforced single sex

Family changing would certainly help to an extent but there is always going to be the tween issue, they want privacy from you but you still want to be able to hear them.

And I think thats what Changing Villages gets round. You can hear them, you know they are ok.

Hoardasurass · 04/05/2026 10:44

Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2026 10:16

Family changing would certainly help to an extent but there is always going to be the tween issue, they want privacy from you but you still want to be able to hear them.

And I think thats what Changing Villages gets round. You can hear them, you know they are ok.

The so called tween issue is not really an issue the girls are safe in the female provision or can use the family facilities just a separate 1 from the parents if privacy is wanted and the boys can use the male provision or the family ones too.
Convenience of families and or wants of a 20 year old must come behind the safety of women and girls.

Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2026 11:06

Reality is changing villages aren't going to go away and they do suit families and school groups.
You might not care about primary ages boys or girls whos Dads don't want them in the female changing alone but I do.

Its probably more important to fight for single sex facilities to actually be single sexed, and not single gender.
Than to moan about changing villages. Facilities swapped to them for a reason. That reason hasn't gone away.

Keeptoiletssafe · 04/05/2026 12:28

Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2026 07:43

The changing villages that I use all started with a 10-15cm gap at the bottom of the panel between the cubicles as well as at the door.
Those have been amended with an additional panel going to the floor being added to prevent cameras being pushed underneath.

However the gaps have remained at the front on the corridor side, but it would need to be someone very brazen to push a camera under there when they are in the open and can be seen.

At the same time as adding the extra panel pieces the did a mix of half ceilings or rails above the end of the cubicle where the bench is. Preventing people being able to stand on the bench putting cameras over the top.

Yes this is an example of how male behaviour affects design.

It’s clear what’s happened. They put standard cubicles in that best work for single sex changing areas. What are the negatives of these alterations? Well you can’t chat to your child or friends so easily if they are in the next cubicle without the gap. People have lost the facility to sit down. I used to get handed all the wet stuff under the partition otherwise my children’s dry clothes would be soaking wet. It also means plasters and other peoples hairs built up at the sides. The cubicles with be more humid and smelly.

This next bit is blunt but I am saying it as it is. If someone vomits, wees, bleeds, ejaculates or poos on the floor or walls it is not as cleanable by drench soaking then draining. Remnants will be on the sides. Tragically you’ll occasionally get someone die in a leisure centre changing cubicle (like I have listed in school toilets) and all leisure centres and schools all have defibrillators, so it depends how they fall as to whether they are seen so that defibrillator is used effectively.

This is why design can be life-saving. I saw the young woman my uni friends and I saved as we were facing the row of ladies nightclub toilets head-on so we immediately saw her. Her blue hand was sticking out of the door gap but we still would have seen her body on the floor it not. It depends on angles of approach and how they fell and whether doors rest in the open position. If anything else had been happening to her we would have seen, had it been voyeurism or an assault. We got to her in seconds and got her breathing again, clearing her airway congested with vomit. In a gender neutral design I am certain she would have died.

The new DfE guidance has single sex toilets and sinks. It has sanitary provision machines in areas that boys are not allowed in (schools had a scheme for supplying free stuff but boys messed about with it). It still says gaps can be 5mm but this appears to be less rigid. What needs to happen is a sentence about the advantages and responsibilities for safeguarding children with collapsible conditions like epilepsy, diabetes, heart conditions, endometriosis, drug overdoses and mental health crises in their care. And safeguarding girls (and boys) from assaults from within the cubicle. Preventing all sex in toilets is a good thing and it is illegal.

In the Sarah Everard inquiry it said we need to design-out crime. It also said systems need to improve so we are looking at where crimes happen and collate centrally to build a picture.

The WRN have done a report on hospitals. They couldn’t find out exactly where sexual assaults were happening within wards because there’s no system in place on recording. Research in India is ahead of us, and research shows unisex school toilets are a rape risk (girls already knew this and were going in the open). India have introduced single sex toilets in schools.

British Transport Police come closest to collating meaningful data - on train carriages they can’t tell me where sexual assaults and rapes happen. In stations they can tell me what crime happened in a toilet (but not the design). They can tell me the sex of the victims because of crime codes but only the gender of the attacker. All the attackers are male gender except two that are female gender.

I know from years (!) of looking at this now, what’s going on in private designed toilets in public places. However, people did always know this. It was built into legislation and regulations that people ignored to be this new ‘inclusive’- which is exclusionary to more vulnerable people. Women know - you can see how we look at design is different from the men that build. It’s commonsense that you unfortunately learn at a young age.

You can see on this thread we mitigate and risk assess for ourselves and our children constantly, even though we do it subconsciously. But it is worth trying to work out how to design better because it saves lives and prevents assaults.

oldtiredcyclist · 04/05/2026 13:39

Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2026 09:04

So whats your suggestion to protect young boys 8/9/10 is still very young? Or are thry collateral damage in single sex provision.

How about young girls 8/9/10 who need help getting hair dried but the swimmer in the family is Dad. How are you helping them in single sex provision.

I also use a gym with single sex its not that long ago from i came out to find a Granddad asking were the two girls ok in there.

I don't see how dignity is affected for either sex in unisex changing villages.
They definitely have advantages for families. But I also don't know anywhere with options its either communal single sex or cubicles in a changing village.

I don't think it appropriate for 8/9/10 year old children to be using a changing room which doesn't match their biological sex. It is normal for puberty to start from 8 to 12 years old.

Needspaceforlego · 04/05/2026 13:52

oldtiredcyclist · 04/05/2026 13:39

I don't think it appropriate for 8/9/10 year old children to be using a changing room which doesn't match their biological sex. It is normal for puberty to start from 8 to 12 years old.

Thats exactly why Changing Villages work. They can be in the cubicle next to parent without the risk of them being in a completely separate area.

And you never answered the question how are you protecting them?
We live in a world were people are loathed to let 8/9/10 year olds go anywhere alone yet people seem to want the to be put in to a very vulnerable situation getting changed in a completely separate changing area.

I mentioned 46% of kids don't live with both parents.
God only knows what percentage are kids with two mums or two dads.
Or kids who are in the care system.

Do they just not get to go swimming?

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