Trans people are more obsessed with JK Rowling then they think she is with them

[BlueSkiesAndSunshiiine]

It's strange, isn't it? They really can't keep her name out of their mouths. Very baffling.

No, still not seeing it.

Sexuality is who you fancy.

"Gender identity" is someone's own sexist ideas projected onto others and identified into.

I understand why historic prejudices about gay and lesbian people being "not quite" properly their sex created a cultural climate where gender non-conformity and homosexuality became associated with each other. I think the gender politics of drag as both a nonconformist gay protest performance and a conformist misogynist performance, from molly houses to drag race, is fascinating and underexplored.

However, I don't think any of that makes transness as it is currently constructed intrinsically relevant to gayness, in fact I think the historic gay connection is being used as a fig leaf over what actually owes far more to the Beaumont society's conception of trans than the historic performance of gender by some gay people.

Right but my argument isn’t about this: it’s about what jkr achieves by attacking people like Lily when most people know someone like this and love them deeply.
talk about that. Talk about why there needs to be more studies in mental health and trans youths. Look at studies about retransiitioning. share about sexism and pathologised trauma responses and peer influence and how it impacts everyone. But don’t go and bait tras who aren’t actually helping anyone and benefit off your platform.
Because then you see how this takes attention off Jkr’s cause (protecting women and girls) and instead gives more airtime to an issue which isn’t serving that?

so you agree with me then? You think historically those groups stick together and have aligned interests?

I won’t engage with people who are disrespectful and insulting. I’m reporting you for personal attacks. There’s no need for it

And how are women supposed to know who are the ‘good, real’ trans women and which are men pretending to be trans? It’s so hard to tell.

If you look at the news recently, there have been several stories about trans women killing their partner, committing sexual assault, raping women… no wonder we women don’t want them in our loos.

When you say "trans people face discrimination", what do you mean exactly?

If you mean people who don't dress or behave according to gender norms can face harassment and violence then yes I agree with you and that is awful (ironically often driven by homophobic assumptions rather than a perception of "transness").

But if you mean that people do not want to be compelled to agree a man (in the original sex based sense) is a woman, or accept him in woman-only spaces, based on his belief his personality makes him female, then I think it is not unreasonable for women to want to reject having that type of sexism imposed onto us.

I mean the first thing. Thank you for explaining so eloquently

I think the groups that were historically aligned are not quite the groups that we see today, and I think those divisions will become increasingly clear.

Yes there’s definitely some fracturing but historically there’s always been the issue that the men’s voices get heard more than the women’s in this community anyway. So it’s always been a tension.

Look, I'm sorry, but anyone who asserts that AGPs and similar fetishists are extremely rare in trans spaces is either wilfully deluding themselves, or shamelessly bullshitting.

I cannot even. Honestly. It's like 2018 in here today.

I know. So many people still think it’s cool to be the mean girl and put other women down online 🙄

Niccola 😄

I know. I know. 🙈😂😂

Glad you all got the joke 😀

I like what you did there.

Calling someone else stupid while getting the name of a famous author wrong is definitely a choice

Quick slug of cool aid, ahhh thats better.

This is interesting. I have thought a lot about JKR behaviour and how it has created a barrier for me, and unmasked a few peoples misogyny making the world a little bit more unsafe.

I still support her actions, and in a way they help me understand and be compassionate towards the actions of Trans people in fighting for what they view as their rights.

Where I think the issue is is the actions of the allies i.e gay men and the charities that were initially for same-sex people but have tried to apply the same tactics for transgender people in order to make money.

how am I being a troll? Some of you have been very unkind to me. I had to report one poster for calling me stupid.

Transwomen are not women, so by calling them that you are being silly. They are male. So men, whatever clothes they wear.

@Deerinflashlights i think i am going to have to explain aren’t I Tsk.

Sturgeon, a primitive fish, a slow moving bottom feeding creature. (I Must admit I googled that to be sure, as fish are not an area of interest for me)

HTH

Idk if it’s just capitalism in general. You make so much money from constantly offering surgery, hormones, medication, specialist clothing and shoes etc. like I said, Machiavelli. If you can appear virtuous while doing bad things, you can justify anything. We need people like jkr to question but imho attacking any marginalised group is just going to attract controversy and lose moderate supporters.