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Uglydumpling · 29/03/2026 20:43

CohensDiamondTeeth · 29/03/2026 20:40

So Uglydumpling is feeling threatened, panicky and aghast. Oh dear.

That's a lot of big feelings to have when faced with reality and science all laid out in increasingly easily understandable ways by incredibly patient women, isn't it?

Edited for the correct UN

Edited

No panic and not threatened - have never said that

right me and another poster called a truce up thread in order to go for tea so ✋

Uglydumpling · 29/03/2026 20:44

SirChenjins · 29/03/2026 20:41

Hyperbole it is.

I can see why it suited you to throw that out there - it's all part of your denial of facts.

Edited

nope not at all

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 20:45

Uglydumpling · 29/03/2026 20:38

No it’s up to you what you do

Thank you!

As UglyDumpling, I want to apologise for the earlier UglyDumpling comments about CS.

CS is a man, he knows he is a man, and he only continues his charade of being a "woman" to maintain the status, wealth and lifestyle that cheating at women's sports has given him.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 29/03/2026 20:45

So Uglyduckling is feeling threatened, panicky and aghast. Oh dear.

And tired. You missed out "tired".

CohensDiamondTeeth · 29/03/2026 20:46

Uglydumpling · 29/03/2026 20:43

No panic and not threatened - have never said that

right me and another poster called a truce up thread in order to go for tea so ✋

You did and it's a very clear case of projection.

Enjoy your tea, it's good to run get away from the facts internet every now and then.

HipTightOnions · 29/03/2026 20:46

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 20:45

Thank you!

As UglyDumpling, I want to apologise for the earlier UglyDumpling comments about CS.

CS is a man, he knows he is a man, and he only continues his charade of being a "woman" to maintain the status, wealth and lifestyle that cheating at women's sports has given him.

Edited

Right you are, UglyDumpling. Thanks for clearing that up Wink

SirChenjins · 29/03/2026 20:48

Uglydumpling · 29/03/2026 20:44

nope not at all

Oh it is.

So, no-one is panicked or threatened, it was simply a bit of hyperbole on your part. That's ok - it's obvious why you had to do that.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 29/03/2026 20:48

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 20:45

Thank you!

As UglyDumpling, I want to apologise for the earlier UglyDumpling comments about CS.

CS is a man, he knows he is a man, and he only continues his charade of being a "woman" to maintain the status, wealth and lifestyle that cheating at women's sports has given him.

Edited

Oh well done, newest iteration of UglyDumpling!

You've finally been persuaded by biology and you're willing to concede that you have been wrong throughout this thread.
You're actually going to describe CS as he/him/his.

It's a triumph for common sense.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 29/03/2026 20:49

You're having a very late tea.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 29/03/2026 20:59

Uglydumpling · 29/03/2026 20:19

I’m saying that it comes across as threatened and panicky - I guess the outrage with anyone that can see why CS might want to continue being called she magnifies that

I’m not threatened it panicky. Just bored of people claiming that self declared ‘identity’ like Semenya claiming he is a woman supersedes facts like his sex.

His sex is male and despite his claims, he is a man. He knows he is a man. Men are referred to as ‘he’, otherwise it confuses people.

At least we have agreed that he is not entitled to participate in women’s sports or be given millions in prize money that should have gone to women.

Waitwhat23 · 29/03/2026 21:01

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 29/03/2026 20:49

You're having a very late tea.

To be fair, I am currently having mine. It has been one of those days,

MarieDeGournay · 29/03/2026 21:07

CohensDiamondTeeth · 29/03/2026 20:46

You did and it's a very clear case of projection.

Enjoy your tea, it's good to run get away from the facts internet every now and then.

In fairness, I offered a tea-time truce earlier, and the clocks went forward so it's really sort-of 8 o'clock which is tea-time, so bon appétit, Uglydumpling.

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2026 21:15

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 20:45

Thank you!

As UglyDumpling, I want to apologise for the earlier UglyDumpling comments about CS.

CS is a man, he knows he is a man, and he only continues his charade of being a "woman" to maintain the status, wealth and lifestyle that cheating at women's sports has given him.

Edited

I've updated your official Mumsnet photo to recognise the change.

Poor Semenya
CohensDiamondTeeth · 29/03/2026 21:25

MarieDeGournay · 29/03/2026 21:07

In fairness, I offered a tea-time truce earlier, and the clocks went forward so it's really sort-of 8 o'clock which is tea-time, so bon appétit, Uglydumpling.

Earlier as I was reading I just thought the poster was a bit... confused, but their merry-go-round style of conversation made that far less likely. The accusation of terrified and panicked was the jump the shark moment, it's just too silly 😂

The "why would a man who has been given medals he wasn't entitled to, and who continues to profit from a career built on the back of lies about being a woman, continue to maintain the lie?" bit was a close second 😂

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2026 21:33

I personally would happily don a cockroach outfit, deny my true beetle, and claim to be a cockroach if there was a couple of million pounds on the table to encourage me, so I understand why CS would continue to lie. I just don't see why we should all collude in the lie with him. I believe myself to be a cockroach just as much as he believes himself to be a woman.

youandyourelk · 29/03/2026 21:34

I have not idea what time it is, but I know Caster Semenya is a bloke.

SergeantWrinkles · 29/03/2026 21:39

SirChenjins · 29/03/2026 20:31

But no examples of actual panic?

@Uglydumplingif you think caster Semanye gives a shiny shit about whether women on the internet feel sympathetic enough to his ‘plight’ to refer to him as ‘she/her’ I have a bridge to sell you. He’s been interviewed expressing his views and feelings about women and girls. He refers to women and girls as ‘them’ not us. He states they’re ‘too soft’. There is video evidence of him doing this. From an early age. It’s a massive grift. He knows it and we know it and he knows we know it. He 100% does not consider himself a woman. But he’ll say whatever he needs to say to keep the money coming in.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/03/2026 21:44

Another reason (so 2,500,001 reasons now) why Semenya keeps the grift going is to claim what an exceptional athlete he was.

Except he wasn’t.

His 2016 Rio 800m finals time (a ‘national record’) was 1:55.98.

Qualifying time for the Men’s 800m for Rio was 1:46.00.

Sebastian Coe ran 1:41.73 in 1981.

Datun · 29/03/2026 22:11

CohensDiamondTeeth · 29/03/2026 21:25

Earlier as I was reading I just thought the poster was a bit... confused, but their merry-go-round style of conversation made that far less likely. The accusation of terrified and panicked was the jump the shark moment, it's just too silly 😂

The "why would a man who has been given medals he wasn't entitled to, and who continues to profit from a career built on the back of lies about being a woman, continue to maintain the lie?" bit was a close second 😂

Not to mention the ...and I can't possibly imagine why it would matter to anybody.

On the sex and gender board in the feminist section of a parenting website, largely populated by women.

FranticFrankie · 29/03/2026 22:23

UD is is on a wind-up
Nobody can be so misinformed; I mean naive

DrBlackbird · 29/03/2026 22:32

Uglydumpling · 29/03/2026 20:34

You can be tired and aghast and still be sympathetic to CS position - I’m also outraged at the fact that CS was allowed to compete with women

you must know the general view on Mumsnet then

I’ll admit that years ago, I too bought the myth that CS was a poor maligned woman who was subjected to unfair criticism. It was FWR that brought my attention to the whole story. On reading more about the issues, and in light of evidence that CS is a male with a DSD, I changed my mind.

If I’m correctly interpreting see this ^^ post, the poster is agreeing that it was wrong that CS was allowed to compete against women. And in saying that, they’re agreeing with what many are saying here.

Yet still having sympathy in believing that CS was raised as a girl…This may have been true until CS hit puberty, when CS became aware that his sex status was questionable. Since competing, CS has made millions by beating women in races. Every £££ reason for holding onto the female designation.

But any searching will easily confirm that CS has been banned for years for refusing to reduce testosterone levels. World Athletics says Semenya and other athletes with DSD in international track have testosterone levels in the male range, giving them an unfair advantage over women because of the hormone's connection to muscle mass and cardiovascular performance. This is not controversial. So CS has XY chromosomes, male testosterone levels, muscles and a physique shaped by male hormones.

Knowing that, isn’t it more appropriate to feel sorry for the many many women relegated to 2nd, 3rd or 4th place losing sponsorships and income?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 22:41

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2026 21:15

I've updated your official Mumsnet photo to recognise the change.

DUMPLING not ducking!

You have mis-dumplinged me! How very dare you 😡

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2026 22:45

FlirtsWithRhinos · 29/03/2026 22:41

DUMPLING not ducking!

You have mis-dumplinged me! How very dare you 😡

Apologies I have managed to repeatedly mis read the user name.

I did not intentionally mis-dumpling you.

I'll be right back!

<retreats backwards whilst grovelling and apologising profusely>

Boiledbeetle · 29/03/2026 22:47

@FlirtsWithRhinos better?

(You looked so cute as a 🐥)

Poor Semenya
Datun · 29/03/2026 22:48

DrBlackbird · 29/03/2026 22:32

I’ll admit that years ago, I too bought the myth that CS was a poor maligned woman who was subjected to unfair criticism. It was FWR that brought my attention to the whole story. On reading more about the issues, and in light of evidence that CS is a male with a DSD, I changed my mind.

If I’m correctly interpreting see this ^^ post, the poster is agreeing that it was wrong that CS was allowed to compete against women. And in saying that, they’re agreeing with what many are saying here.

Yet still having sympathy in believing that CS was raised as a girl…This may have been true until CS hit puberty, when CS became aware that his sex status was questionable. Since competing, CS has made millions by beating women in races. Every £££ reason for holding onto the female designation.

But any searching will easily confirm that CS has been banned for years for refusing to reduce testosterone levels. World Athletics says Semenya and other athletes with DSD in international track have testosterone levels in the male range, giving them an unfair advantage over women because of the hormone's connection to muscle mass and cardiovascular performance. This is not controversial. So CS has XY chromosomes, male testosterone levels, muscles and a physique shaped by male hormones.

Knowing that, isn’t it more appropriate to feel sorry for the many many women relegated to 2nd, 3rd or 4th place losing sponsorships and income?

Edited

Knowing that, isn’t it more appropriate to feel sorry for the many many women relegated to 2nd, 3rd or 4th place losing sponsorships and income?

It is, unless you're a misogynist. And one who not only doesn't consider the women who have lost out to this man, they think other people shouldn't consider them either.