TIF Lawyer has meltdown in US courtroom.

[ThatZanyFatball]

This has been making the rounds in the US. Apparently closed her practice the day it happened.

She!!!!!!

Seems unprecedented for a legal professional to behave so unprofessionally in a court of law/ before a judge. Is it a mental health episode/crisis or side effects of drugs?

I don't know if wrong sex hormones and other hormonal problems caused by 'trans affirming care' which has entailed removal of the victim's patient's gonads by themselves causes mental problems. It's an area that should be studied. It is uncontroversial though that there is a huge overlap between people vulnerable to the ideology who have pre-existing mental health conditions (ASD, BPD) and/or trauma from sexual assaults, internalised homophobia, a whole basket of conditions. Add to that the upheaval caused by adopting this identity, possible family estrangement, the ideology of victimisation, your social circle (if you have one) may consist of equally damaged individuals, misery loves company. Then they'll be that voice, possibly just a little one but difficult to ignore, that you have one life, one body and you may have royally fucked them both.

Poor sod. She doesn't seem a happy person.

That's distressing to watch and made me wonder if the reason for the "transition" was trauma at the hands of a man.

Maybe I am biased as a trauma survivor myself, but the reaction once multiple men were physically restraining her looked like pure terror and a previous trauma being reactivated. She knows she's female and she knows she had multiple men on top of her. I can understand panicking.

That has just made me so sad.

i wasn’t judging by Uk standards ….moreso the numerous bodycam videos I’ve watched by mindless YT scrolling. But the concealed permit-less carry situation does add context (although I am surprised that there isn’t security screening to access the court).

Rob was definitely trying to control the situation. Why she thought talking over the judge would work for her shows very poor judgement.

This 'lawyer' was totally unprofessional and demonstrated appalling, entitled behaviour.

It was so ludicrous it reminded me of Gene Wilder's meltdown in the original version of 'The Producers'. Do not hurt me! Do not touch me! Aaargh ... bring me my blue blanket.

All she had to do was comply with the request to leave the room. Then all of that drama could have been avoided. Instead it's the security guards / police who come out looking like the bad guys.

This person reminded me of Howard from The Only Murders in the Building…

There are numerous bodycam type videos on YT that show similar behaviour. Mostly traffic stops etc, relatively minor events that would have just been a warning or a ticket at worst but end up with multiple felony charges because the individual just refuses to comply with anything. A lot of the videos feature black women and no doubt there's deep seated/generational trauma at play. The level of defiance on display is just staggering.

She's playing the victim and half the posters here have fallen for it 😂
Just because she acts like a child doesn't mean she should be treated like one. She's a responsible adult who chose to behave in an unacceptable manner. She was given multiple opportunities to not get arrested, and she escalated it herself. Blaming the man, the judge, the officers, mental health or medication is just excusing her from being accountable. She was complaining about being restrained before they even touched her, and she was very loud for someone who "can't breathe". I'll wager this was not her first rodeo.

Yes, and unfortunately this behaviour has been encouraged by liberal-leftists who want to cast law enforcement officers as the perpetual bad guys. It doesn't help anyone in the long run.

this - even the judge said stuff like 'I don't know what you are' and kept wagging her finger.
They all behaved appaullingly there are no winners here.

The woman who moved the chairs, that was good thinking.

I don't know if you're right or not, but I do think we need to remember that the motivations for women presenting as trans are very different from the motivations for men. We know that for men there is almost always a sexual element. But the women - the teenage girls in particular - are usually vulnerable, with a history of autism, depression, sometimes sexual abuse, sometimes suicide attempts. No sane, well-adjusted woman decides to cut her breasts off and start taking testosterone. The problem is that society has decided to pretend that this is completely normal behaviour, rather than providing the necessary mental health support.

God, that was awful to watch. From all angles.

I'm reminded of the transman who often posts on here saying one of the major significant issues is what testosterone has done to her.

And the Swedish study which showed women on testosterone might not conform to male pattern criminality, but they were away above that of other women.

That woman was filled with rage and entitlement. And clearly used to raising her voice and getting her own way because she's trans.

I do agree that the judge and the other people could have de-escalated it, but I suspect this is a fairly novel experience for them from a lawyer, who they're not used to appeasing.

Was it my imagination or did the other lawyer use the word ugly?

And yes, a stunning example of why 'gender affirming' medication of that nature should be banned.

I feel some sympathy for the transman. They were fed up but they weren't out of control initially. And the other lawyer behaved atrociously and completely got away with it. The judge was unimpressive too - simply doing what the other lawyer told her to, essentially.
Seriously, the other lawyer was really threatening. But that's fine, apparently.

And some of the comments on Youtube are unnerving - "You can literally hear the demon screaming " according to one evangelical Christian.

That was an uncomfortable watch. The thing that struck me was her reactions seemed quite performative and almost designed to be watched back on social media and for people to be on her side. The multiple comments of ‘I can’t breathe’ which is known to be related to the Black Lives Matter movement and shouting about not being able to see and needing her glasses seemed like calculated responses for onlookers rather than genuine thoughts/feelings she was having.
Yes, everyone involved in this could have been better at deescalating but I appreciate the comments about not viewing it through a uk lens as it is a different culture.

No judgement on the individuals involved here just sad that this is where we are.

Oh, plenty of judgement from me 😂
This person has had far too much affirmation and not nearly enough accountability. It's consequence time, and honestly I think it'll do her more good than all the sympathy in the world.

No-one comes out of that with a shred of credit. The trans identifying female attorney was completely out of order, that's undeniable. No-one else stepped up to de-escalate the situation - the judge, the other attorney, the officers. Dreadful. Why did the officer knee the TiF in the abdomen?

One thing that was really offensive: the "I can't breathe" said over and over. Undoubtedly appropriated from Eric Garner's killing, done for effect and drama as she clearly could breathe.

All I’m seeing is an argument, there isn’t enough context to understand the terms of it or who is right or wrong, seems plenty of not listening/frustration on all sides. If you slow the video you can see the phone wasn’t deliberately dropped, it was placed it too close to the edge of the desk, it wobbled then fell. The male lawyer is also certainly being aggressive and unnecessarily getting in the trans lawyer’s face, which is unprofessional in itself, but no consequences for him.

As for the rest, being physically restrained is legitimately terrifying, can be genuinely painful, can restrict breathing – and as everyone should be aware from famous cases, overly harsh, prolonged, or incorrectly applied restraint can kill people. Honestly I’d like to see anyone here deal with it without panicking. It’s all very well just saying “don’t resist then” but if you’re genuinely in fear of your life then your animal brain takes over.

Also honestly not really seeing the feminism in declaring that this person is clearly female because of their reaction – there’s plenty of bodycam footage out there of biological males panicking in restraint, screaming that they can’t breathe, calling for their mothers etc.

Was this shared purely so people could point and laugh at a trans person?

For those of you gloating because you’re enjoying seeing a trans person getting “consequences”, what do you think that says about you?

The mobile was dropped, it never touched the desk. Although I'll concede she may not have done it deliberately. It definitely wasn't thrown.

I'm not seeing much gloating. Plenty of sympathy. I think a man who'd behaved the same way would have found our field of fucks completely bare.

I agree. She was a bit unhinged, but showed no signs of becoming physical, so I think the guards were unnecessarily brutal. I'm no TRA but I don't think anyone comes out of it very well.

It looked deliberate to me. Too far from the desk to be an accident (imo).