Mixed sex changing rooms in a Brighton secondary school - part 3 - we're really cooking now

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

Hello friends.

I'll let the press do the talking...

https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-school-court-changing-rooms

Keep going, cis person.

Good idea

There's nothing "complex" about being told that a girl must undress in front of random males even if she doesn't consent.

That's not complex. It's abusive. It's power play. It's rendering girls as support humans required to undress to validate male delusions. It's teaching girls they have no right to boundaries of privacy from males.

It's indefensible but do crack on and tell us why you're arguing to de criminalise voyeurism and indecent exposure. We're all ears.

Many thanks to you and your daughter for bringing this action! I salute you both.

'any sense of normality' from the people pushing to completely subvert 'normality' ha!

So bloody impressed by you and your daughter. I was thinking of you the other day and wondered if you'd decided this was just too hard a battle to fight, after such a long time of banging your head against a brick wall. So glad to see that I was wrong and that you and your fabulous daughter have exceptional resilience!

Do let us know if there is a fund-raiser for the legal costs.

The Right Side of History:

You may be so separated from any sense of normality that a read through the unpleasantness, malice and spite in this section read like sense and reason to you.

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And to be doing this in Brighton of all places - in a city that if it hates anything more than gluten it’s terfs and fascists beggars belief really. Gen Z are a really tolerant lot, other kids (however anonymous you try to keep it) will be likely to find out who she is (and their parents, who you are). I would think it’s highly likely the next couple of school years are going to be really unpleasant for her.

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< snorts at @SJaneS >

The situation is too complex for a 15 year old because she doesn't want biological males in her changing room but perfectly acceptable that 8 year olds can consent to puberty blockers and surgical treatments? Yeah, right.

Will you be setting up a fundraiser?

Wow, someone sounds rattled.

Maybe they think you've got a strong case, OP

If SJaneS' post is representative of the intellectual rigour within the school's defence team, the trial is going to be hilarious.

What’s the NION petition signage up to now? 80,000?

You are aware that Willyboy signed the NION petition, aren't you? 😄

Gen Z are a really tolerant lot

That is genuinely good news. If Gen Z boys are so tolerant, they won't mind gender-non-conforming boys in their changing rooms then, will they?

I am not criticising Gen Z boys. They may well genuinely not care if a GNC boy is in their changing room. The trouble is, we don't get to find out how tolerant they are because they aren't permitted to display it.

It's only the girls that are expected to be tolerant.

This is about adults imposing their own beliefs on kids and what they should be tolerant about.

The only agenda is telling women and girls that males have the right to undress in front of them and share their intimate facilities.

@SJaneS But it’s not for me or for many other cis women like me.

You are aware no doubt that 'cis' is a 'trans' status, you and all these other women maybe happy to have their existence devalued to a 'trans' status but me and billions of women all over the planet aren't.

The argument, for want of a better word, in your first post has been torn apart by other posters, your stand is incoherent, your claims baseless and you don't get to speak for all the young girls in Brighton, they don't want males in their changing rooms.

As for your attempt to paint a target on SSSiS's daughter, the only threat she might face will come from the like's of 'you and your ilk'. How you can delude yourself into thinking you're the 'good guy' is a matter for the shrinks, but know we see you 👀for what you are and you ain't that special, just another run of the mill alphabetty zombie,

Hi Jane. Thanks for coming along. I do love a dissenter, as others can probably speak for, as I’ve been here for so long, trying to keep penises out of my daughter changing room and toilets.

I wasn’t going to reply as better minds than me will show you the error of your thinking, and have already.

part 1

Q- @SJaneS - why do you want penises in my daughters changing room?

just going to check that you’re aware 98% of sexual assaults are carried out by someone with a penis?

so again , why do you think my 11 year old daughter (that’s when it started for her) should have a penis, probably many penises, in her changing room?

how about her toilets?

why do you think she should have penises in her toilets? Why should she run the risk of losing her privacy, dignity, being voyeured by a child with a penis, flashed, exposed, easily physically assaulted? By a penis?

why @SJaneS do you want to facilitate penises in under 16 female changing rooms?

part 2.

Brighton is my town. Brighton is not at all what you see on the TV. You don’t see Whitehawk, you don’t see Woodingdean, you don’t see Patcham.

working class people give zero fucks about a bloke in a dress feeling bad ‘cos he can’t use the ladies and they are quite physically clear about that opinion.

the projection of Brighton culture is a lie. St James street, the only gay bit, is a few hundred meters long. The council likes to show off, likes to pin its colours to the latest cause. But the people just don’t. Not the wider population. Nobody - when you say “should there be penises in girls changing rooms” says yes. Nobody.

this whole thing has been done with smoke and mirrors. Lies.

the school HAS NOT INFORMED ANY PARENT OR ANY CHILD because if they did there would be a mob outside the gates.

ask yourself why it’s all done in secret. Because if this policy was published…..

(I really wanted this thread to be something I could just show my daughter…. Might anyway)

oh quick edit part 3.

the other pupils don’t agree either. None of them.
however they are all so terrified of being cancelled they whisper it to each other.

the school has literally taught girls to ignore the evidence in front of them and accept trans kids as a different sex. They do not believe it at all. They talk about it. But they are all afraid of being cancelled.

well fuck that.

the emperor has no clothes on, and his dick is showing. My daughter has been brave enough so stand up and point at him in the changing rooms. Everyone else will now.

I think it's important for girls and women to see clearly for themselves the kind of person who is pushing this agenda upon them and wants to remove their right to consent in order to provide the experience of their undressed body to a male.

And to see clearly how such a person values women and girls, and sees them in terms of equality to men, and how highly abusive they are towards those who value the equality and rights of girls. This is information needed, as it proves exactly why women and girls need sex based protections in law.

So much this. Schools have missed an opportunity which would have allowed trans identified kids (who always have a comorbid issue) space to figure things out at the same time as modelling kindness and tolerance for everyone.

If you're a kid on the receiving end of gender stereotype policing from your peers, it actually makes no difference whether you're being told eg "you can't wear that because you're a boy" (traditional view on gender stereotypes) OR "are you a girl now? Because you're wearing that" (gender identity view on gender stereotypes).

OP I didn't actually realise that your daughter was involved with your campaign. I think that's incredible. What a wonderful relationship you must have. What a brave and brilliant daughter you have.

Brighton is the home of TRAs shutting down a women's only yoga group for those who have suffered trauma - because it's women only, including trans men (women who identify as men). So tolerant and kind. 🙁 Hope some of you can find it in your hearts not to harass a 15 year old girl for wanting single sex toilets, changing rooms and sleeping accommodation on school trips.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools well done you! You’ve successfully gee’d up & weaponised your own 15 year old and used her to launch a crusade to satisfy your own bigotry and ego. There is no real & substantiated threat to her, this is a fantasy whipped up in your own and other gender critics unpleasant imaginations. No 15 year old either is going to fully understand either the complexity of the arguments here or the potential consequences that you will have created for her.

And to be doing this in Brighton of all places - in a city that if it hates anything more than gluten it’s terfs and fascists beggars belief really. Gen Z are a really tolerant lot, other kids (however anonymous you try to keep it) will be likely to find out who she is (and their parents, who you are). I would think it’s highly likely the next couple of school years are going to be really unpleasant for her. That will be completely on you, not her or other teens who see transphobia for exactly what it is.

Did you actually think through this post before hitting the button, @SJaneS . As well as the incoherencies that others like born have pointed out, I am struck again that there are people who believe that children in Brighton should have lower safeguarding than anywhere else in the UK.

No child in the UK should be taught to lower their boundaries that keep them safe. Teaching children to accept any male person to access female single sex provisions is contradictory to safeguarding principles.

@SingleSexSpacesInSchools i think you need to screen shot the SjaneS post, quick time and pass it on to your solicitor. That was a direct threat in my book.

If you have not done so already apply, for an anonymity order.
I was shocked by it.

I'm not sure many transactivists see girls as anything other than cannon fodder for their ideology.
The majority aren't parents.
The majority appear to be comfortable with using threats and intimidation as tools to enforce their demands
Respecting the rights of others appears to be absent from their thinking and narratives.

it's very depressing that such anti democratic, anti social views have got such a hold on too many. Hopefully Jane might read around a bit and expand their thinking to consider what is so awful about women wanting to undress in privacy away from men? Or maybe not..

Well, there we have a real-time demonstration of why your action is so important SSSiS.

Imagine being the person that makes thinly-veiled threats against a distressed fifteen-year-old girl. That poster has zero respect for women and girls.

I bet Jane is a man and back on Reddit with his mates, trying to work out how to harass OP and his daughter……i could be wrong.