Mixed sex changing rooms in a Brighton secondary school - part 3 - we're really cooking now

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Hello friends.

I'll let the press do the talking...

https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-school-court-changing-rooms

Trying To find anything of substance in the post you refer to is like trying to lean on fog. One marvels at the sheer vacuity of it.

I think we have to be wary of assuming posters are men.
Women are capable of selling other women down the river.
I think it's disturbing.

Indeed Kucinghitam

The entire post is one wondrous mess of contradictions. I am sure though that the poster feels very righteous, despite the fact that the post is so deeply entrenched in prejudice and falsity.

V true.

But I do think threats of violence are usually men.

And it's tacitly understood that any violence that is threatened is 100% male (because otherwise it's not such a threat).

The hypocrisy in trans rights ideology really is something else

<applauds>

If no 15 year old is mature enough to understand the argument, that’s a slam dunk against “trans kids” being indulged and any form of transitioning then, isn’t it?

Yes. yet another example of the intellectual and moral incoherence at the core of all these beliefs.

This is good, and interesting, advice, OP.

It wasn't even thinly veiled.

If anyone, including your daughter wonders why children (and adults), have been brainwashed by this ideology one of the main reasons is fear.

Gen Z are a really tolerant lot, other kids (however anonymous you try to keep it) will be likely to find out who she is(and their parents, who you are). I would think it’s highly likely the next couple of school years are going to be really unpleasant for her.

Nasty, threatening and as usual for TRAs, foot shootingly stupid.

Let me threaten you and your child in the quite gob smackingly fond belief that I'm on the right side of history.

Claiming that Generation Z are a tolerant lot particularly got to me.

It's unbelievably creepy to praise girls as tolerant for having no boundaries.

It's not tolerance, is it, mate, if you threaten them when they step out of line.

I doubt you are.

I agree women are capable of selling other women down the river, very depressing.

But I bet that's a man. Threatening and the outrage.

Women try guilt tripping and lean heavily on be kind, but rarely threats.

Men try threats. Also, to me a bit of a giveaway is the sheer entitlement that bleeds through every word. (Hence the threats.)

The absolute safeguarding catastrophe of intentionally teaching young girls that they have a duty to expose their bodies to males, and their consent and distress and own personhood is irrelevant, they must think only of him, and act submissively, with their feelings concealed (as a good victim of abuse must; no upsetting the abuser with crying). As obviously the male is a real and important person, unlike them.

Which makes it an absolute nonsense to claim anyone in this situation has the faintest doubt on who is of the valuable and important sex, and who is not. On an entirely binary basis.

And that setting boundaries with males is conditional, on whether or not he wishes to hear 'no' or claims a 'right' or 'need' to use their bodies.

It will not survive court, this never does. I hope it's the start of a legal avalanche, having heard the whining in Faye's case that to protect her rights would unleash a flood of claims that would be really inconvenient for male supremacist policy holders and services. This is obviously starting to bite.

This might be a good place to point out that the majority of women and young people want single sex spaces.

'Jane' is very out of date.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425
'a new YouGov study, the fourth in a series reaching back to 2018, shows an increased scepticism towards transgender rights across the board – and particularly in the two and a half years since our previous wave of this study.
Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.'

I agree, @Datun

”A 15 year old can understand that hating on a minority is wrong sure. It is. They won’t understand the full complexity of this argument no.”

You keep talking about complexity and yet there is no complexity in the situation around safeguarding female people.

No male people should be using female single sex provisions, there are no special groups of male people that should be there. Female people have not given consent for any male person to use the provision when they are in it, so why are you effectively threatening children to pressure them into a non-consensual situation?

And yes, your first post on this thread is threatening. You may called it describing the justifiable consequences or whatever makes you feel comfortable in what you have written, but it can and has been interpreted as threatening.

There is no ‘complexity’ in forcing children and any other female person into a non-consensual situation because one group of male people want their subjective reality to be treated as if it is material reality when it is not material reality at all.

Gen Z are a really tolerant lot, other kids (however anonymous you try to keep it) will be likely to find out who she is(and their parents, who you are). I would think it’s highly likely the next couple of school years are going to be really unpleasant for her.

Do you think OP and his daughter should be cowering in a corner, @SJaneS?

I think it's more likely that other kids already know who she is and are relieved that someone spoke out. Same goes for the parents. It only takes one courageous person to get the ball rolling.
OP sounds like he's willing to discuss this with anyone of any view. Are the opposing ones (like you) willing to talk rationally to him?

It's definitely a threat. That's all they have. Threats, to get penises into girls changing rooms.

I think they'll find most of the children don't believe in gender woo these days. The tide is turning and most kids think the idea humans (or indeed any mammals) can change sex based on their feelings to be absurd and ridiculous and immediately lose respect for anyone who thinks something so ludicrous.

Anyway, the child and her father have anonymity so no-one will find out who it is unless they do something illegal.

And even if they did know who it is (which they can't, unless breaking the law, to be clear) I think it's much more likely they'd see both OP and his daughter as absolute heroes.

99% of people staying silent are doing so because of the risk of social ostracization. It's going to be interesting once that fear drops away.

I'm not sure there is the faintest point in discussion, rational or otherwise. There is no middle ground to 'this girl must take her clothes off and expose her body to this boy (while pretending consent and showing no signs of distress that may upset him) in order to prove her submission and celebration of his inner self'.

The bottom line is that she, thank God, has rights in law to protect her against those who are incapable of seeing females as equally human to males, and who sustain a very old and foundational belief that males have an entitlement to female bodies and that female consent should be restricted to ensure this entitlement is not very naughtily resisted.

People like this are why those laws are needed, and needed more now than they have been in fifty years.

Also “gen Z are a really tolerant lot, they will make your daughter’s life really unpleasant for the next few years”

at least try to make some kind of coherent point

or by “tolerant” you seem to mean “nasty ideological zealots”?

Yes, you’re right.

”A 15 year old can understand that hating on a minority is wrong sure. It is. They won’t understand the full complexity of this argument no.”

For fuck's sake. If I hear the Complexity Defence one more time, my head will explode.

It's not complex.

Trying to sanitise and justify why men everywhere should be able to watch women change might be fucking complex though.

I am struck again that there are people who believe that children in Brighton should have lower safeguarding than anywhere else in the UK.

This is such a good point. My daughter is the same age as OP's daughter. She has single SEX toilets and changing rooms in her school - labelled male and female. No question.

Anyone who can't use the spaces designated by sex is provided with a third alternative. It's quite easy to safeguard and protect all children when you're not intent on adult wants and an adult anti-safeguarding ideology but actually focused on child safeguarding.

I'd bet absence rates for girls in OP's school are much higher than for schools obeying the law around single sex facilities and safeguarding all children. Girls can't effectively access their human right to education without single sex toilets - there's a whole body of evidence supporting this. And the idea that girls in developing countries need single sex toilets to access education but in the UK they don't is racist bullshit.

I can't believe the respondents are going to spend a shedload of tax-payer money just to get a High Court decision that will do for schools what GLP v EHRC did for workplaces. Surely it makes more sense to settle and leave the underlying question undecided.

I know that High Court judges don't have to follow each other's precedents, but these cases are so close to identical (in this aspect) that I think it's reasonable to be optimistic.

GLP are involved, I think, too. Isn’t that the case @SingleSexSpacesInSchools?

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