A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

Full details here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

What the fuck is proto-queer children? Are they related to clown fish?

In my teens, all my close friends were gay. I dated gay boys. There was nothing stopping me from being gay. Other than I wasn't gay.

They are the children of Proteus. Sadly, they all suffer from vertigo and therefore feel a bit queer.

But we are talking about clinical evidence for a treatment. Your mum is irrelevant to that.

Do you understand why clinical trials are run in the way that they are to assess if a treatment actually works or not? Do you understand why a clinician reckoning it works is not good evidence that it works? Or why someone feeling happier after a treatment doesn’t mean the treatment itself made them feel happier?

Same-sex questioning? Trans-questioning? Non-binary questioning? A child or adolescent without a fully developed LGBT+ identity?

Can you elaborate? What medical treatment did they receive there?

I'm sure you can invent something that happened at these fictitious camps which you just invented.

Clinicians used to think that trepanning and lobotomy were "successful treatments". Until they didn't. Thousands of people suffered irreparable brain damage due to their "successful treatments".

So there was nothing stopping you from being gay?

But you said all the gay children were sent off to camps to teach them to not be gay, or given drugs to stop them being gay. Where did all these gay teens come from? Did they all escape from the camps?

It was the people concerned with confused children who sent them off. The children weren't actually confused. Much like trans children today.

American conservative Christians have always been really poor at understanding what they term confused children. They used to just ship children to conversion therapists. Now that's mostly illegal, or at least socially frowned upon during tea discussion,

Here's one example https://www.focusonthefamily.com/family-qa/parent-suspects-that-child-might-be-gay/

If you think that being attracted to someone of the same sex is just like thinking you're the opposite sex, then I can't help you.

America.

We are talking about a UK study in the UK for UK children. Do keep up.

I thought you said you were in the UK. Americans do all sorts of weird shit, and it has nothing to do with what happens here.

Are the many children who change their mind about being trans dealt with by being declared 'never really trans' even though they very much present as trans at the time?

I wasn't expecting your help, but thank you for your thoughts.

I'm currently in America with my mother. It's an example of the same line of thinking, not a UK History Moment.

As 'trans' is a diagnosis, if they've grown out of it or 'never really were' then amazing for them. They deserve all the happiness and they deserve the decision.

Sometimes, I feel like I am reading a very poor attempt at nonsense writing, à la Edward Lear's poems.

if you are going to be talking about gay conversion camps then you really should be talking about the actual country everyone else is. And this thread has UK in it's title. As I said earlier, do keep up.

Best not to sterilise them as children then.

Lies lies lies. You were a boy dating boys. That's what gay means.

I would also add parents are a really good judge of their child's happiness as well. My mother used to say she had never seen someone express true contentment until she saw me in the recovery room before I woke up from my surgery.

Children even more than adults are generally delighted when they get what they want, which is not necessarily what they need or what is good for them. That is why good parents who care for their children do not let them live on ice cream, chocolate and sweets.

You were not a child though when you had surgery

• We are talking about children.

You say that you were not put on puberty blocking drugs

• We are talking about a child whose mother is considering going DIY to dose him with puberty blocking drugs.

You have no way of knowing whether your experience or thought processes as a child bear any resemblance to those of the child in question

• However, parents on this thread have explained how some of their experiences and thought processes are very similar to those that the mother in question has described first hand.

Quite why you seem to think that you are the expert and best placed to give advice is a mystery . . .

I am joking! It's not a mystery, it's just bog standard mansplaining. You do not "pass" and your contributions are an irrelevant distraction.

The irrelevancies to the discussion continue to pile up 🙄

Seek all the support you can. MN are anti trans. Mermaids if you haven't already contacted them. I've not read the posts here just the first couple. Good luck supporting your daughter. Just love and support her.

I have an opinion because I was a trans child and adolescent. I managed to find a way to receive medical treatment as a teen. There was only one person in this exchange who was a trans child. Anti-LGBT parents have been a thing since I was a youth. You're nothing new.

And I've not actually provided any advice in this thread. I entered it to counter misinformation and sex realist myths about trans medical treatment. I am your current friendly neighbourhood real actual trans person. Hello.

Children have agency, it's even a UN specified right. They are not owned by their parents or church.

No one is talking about children receiving surgery.

I don't remember discussing DIY puberty blocking drugs. I've never heard of them. It doesn't mean they aren't available, but I believe the current sources in and amongst the UK are through genuine private medical clinics providing genuine prescription drugs. DIY testosterone, oestrogen and progesterone, yes dozens of suppliers. Not to mention the hundreds, if not thousands of trans community members who are sharing their own legally received prescriptions.

I know I don't "pass" I haven't been concerned with such a thing since I was 17.