A UK forum is encouraging a desperate parent of a trans identified male to seek out DIY hormones, without consulting health care professionals, how is this dangerous advice legal?

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OP "If anyone could help me to understand, I would be extremely grateful. I just want my daughter to be alive and happy in her own skin as much as possible ."

Responses: "diy is reliable and safe, there are communities that will be able to help, and really all it is getting a blood test every now and then to check how low or high a couple numbers are and adjusting accordingly."

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https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1rw0bac/please_help_parent_to_a_16_year_old/

How is this even slightly legal? The pro anorexia sites were shut down right? The pro suicide?

Right, but not every treatment is the same. What works for one condition does not necessarily work for another.

Feeling unconfident about traits that society seems as wrong such as weight, nose, etc is very different from feeling incredible discomfort at traits that are otherwise fine, but you personally cannot stand them. My dysphoria is not socially constructed, unrealistic body standards on women are.

That's the difference, and that's why there's different treatment.

That's the bare minimum. SRS and HRT.

I always find Sex Reassignment Surgery a very coy way of describing a surgery which has a proper name.

Body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria are not the same condition

You are very unaware of what others can and can't get on the NHS for perfectly valid health conditions.

That's a lot in NHS terms.

Some people feel that they should have a limb amputated, that is not related to societies views or expectations.

But why are they not treated the same?

Why is one more legitimate than the other?

You know very well...

No, I don't. You can't tell me what I know or don't know.

This is a long thread, started a few days ago and there have been hundreds of posts by lots of different people. I can't remember who said what in every post in this thread.

It was you who said you were happy with your 'social role', which appears to be how people treat you. Why bring that up if it's not important to you?

But what exactly do you find attractive about the 'social role' of a woman? I usually find when I'm treated differently to men that my experience is worse than being treated the same as them.

Well yeah I say SRS because its easier than writing Vaginoplasty or Vulvoplasty for trans women, and Metoidplasty or Phalloplasty for trans men and other types of surgery in certain regions.

The centre of the known universe seems to be trans issues when it comes to service provision.

The narcissistic attitudes and lack of awareness of the experience of others pops up once again.

It's medically necessary. Other conditions not getting the appropriate care isn't a justification to strip care from conditions that are doing slightly better.

That's also assuming that people can even get to the top of the waiting list which the majority can't.

If we were the centre of the known universe why do we have 20 year wait lists?

They don’t cover the whole array of surgeries though, and it takes longer to type.

And there isn't the evidence to back this up. It's also incredibly rare, whereas transsexuals make up between 0.5 and 1% of the population and therefore have a lot more research into us.

Do you think people with BIID should be able to have their limbs amputated on the NHS?

Which is why I say SRS

Is there any evidence to justify that this works? And is there evidence that this is significantly better than therapy?

They look exceedingly similar from where I’m sitting. A person who doesn’t feel comfortable with certain aspects of their body and feels they can never be happy until their body has been surgically altered. In what ways do the two conditions differ?

Some people have been able to persuade surgeons to amputate healthy limbs, and some have taken matters into their own hands and damaged their own bodies. Of the handful of accounts I’ve seen, the ‘patient’ was very happy afterwards with the outcome and felt they were now living as their true self.

Body dysmorphia comes from society and it's expectations for how men and women 'should' look.

Gender Dysphoria does not.

We don't use anecdotal evidence. Where is your studies? Your research?

There's quite a lot for transsexual healthcare.

Someone with dysmorphia has a distorted view of reality. They perceive a flaw that isn’t visible to others.

Someone with dysphoria is able to accurately perceive their reality. Their sense of identity is different to their sexed body, but they are accurately seeing their body.

Where’s the evidence that it’s medically necessary?

I think we’ve already established on this thread that that evidence does not exist.

I just know deep down that I should’ve been born female.

This is a nonsense statement.

More accurately, somewhere along the line you absorbed there was a 'right way' to be male and you were doing it wrong.

There is no right or wrong way to live in a male body.