Row breaks out over event’s single sex policy: bbc

[WarriorN]

Row breaks out over event's single-sex policy https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jxek8w8m0o

Not a bad article for the BBC.

I think it's ok that this article hinges on trauma, because it's relevant to the premise of Sisters Heal.

I like the eye opening juxtaposition of Rosie Hayes' description of what survivors need, with the misogynist dudes claiming the class only exists to exclude transwomen. Remember a lot of "be kinders" have no idea how batshit trans activists can get.

Massive kudos to Rosie for going public.

The article really should have mentioned how the rape crisis service has trans specific groups and mixed sex groups but still hasn't managed women only.

Yes this should really be linked to the original thread by IamSarah as from the moment this advertised they have been harrased.

It is disgusting that still trans people do not accept and will not allow women the right they have under law to find support by meeting and talking only with other biological females.

See https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5479324-new-support-group-for-mothers-of-trans-id-children

And specify- because it's no more than blunt fact- that these men demand access to traumatised women who don't want them, don't feel safe with them, and can't achieve the purpose of the group with them in the room. They have no empathy, they wish to control what women may say, feel and have, and they see those women as defying them and deserving of punishment.

These men are mad. They are absolutely out of their minds.

What an awfully written article.

Wait until they get a load of me.

I’m in the mood to come out fighting after this week.

Probably a dude.

Probably several dudes and a fair few women ☹️

Whilst waiting for my dinner to cook I had a look at TERF Watch's web presence. It's like stepping through the looking glass. Headlines on their Substack include "Brighton-based Rape Crisis Centre bullied into setting up support group for only cis women" and "Sisters heal to launch group for parents skeptical of their trans children". Brace yourselves and have a look!

Who is TERF Watch? They're remarkably coy about their own identities. Have they actually broken cover and confessed their identities anywhere?

That jumped out at me, too.
Men speaking for women. Bugger off, bro. I can express myself perfectly well, thanks.

No, of course it isn't.

But it's that classic thing of one party goading or forcing the other into retaliation, and then someone runs to teacher blabbing that 'Emily and Evie are having a fight'.

The BBC isn't very smart about stuff like this, owing to what I can only conclude is ingrained misogyny.

Five or ten years ago I didn't feel like this, I thought the feminist fight was well on its way to being won. How bloody wrong I was.

Time for a couple of court cases to put these fuck3rs back in their box. Happy to contribute to a crowd funder.

I agree that women should be able to have their own spaces because they want them. They shouldn't need to show that they've had trauma.

But this article is about trauma healing classes so it's very relevant to the story.

I also like it because it helps to educate people that you can't reason your way out of a trauma response, it's an involuntary physiological reaction to situations, stimuli, etc. If you react badly to men because of past trauma, having trans women in a group will make it very stressful and unsuitable for women trying to heal from that trauma. It could easily exacerbate problems instead of lessen them.

I used to be shocked at how many people didn't understand this. Many think that if you reframe your trauma or accept transwomen (in general), you won't have a trauma response to transwomen in single sex spaces. But that's completely ignorant of how trauma responses work. It's very similar to the misconception that Tourette's verbal tics show your true feelings. No, you have no control over either. I've had trauma responses to good friends. I didn't think they were bad people, my body had a physiological reaction. I think it's important that the public - and policy makers - understand how trauma responses work and also how difficult they make life for those who have them.

I also think that explaining trauma responses will lead some to understand why some women need single sex spaces. Many people start off with "be kind" and only start to understand the need for single sex spaces when they see something that seems unfair or harmful. I think many can understand why a woman who's been raped wouldn't want to be around men, especially when dealing with their rape. Once they see how that's a problem, they often start to see how transwomen in single sex spaces leads to other problems too.

The comments on reddit - you-know-which-sub are appalling- so angry, so vindictive, so nasty! Such victimhood
Everything is 'transphobic'
Apparently

If you react badly to men because of past trauma, having trans women in a group will make it very stressful and unsuitable for women trying to heal from that trauma.

And questions have to be asked about why the men's main interest and focus on this trauma is how it affects them, and that it should be controlled entirely to their agenda.

It's another red herring. Start engaging with 'well trauma' and you'll have those men wangling away on what is trauma, how much is permissible, etc etc etc as they try to use those women for their own needs and agendas. Women should not need to say anything more than no. No, I don't want to use a mixed sex service thanks. No, I want a single sex service. No I do not share your belief system, I have my own. No, I do not want to be used by you while I deal with the after effects of my rape.

Men who can't deal with no are a major problem and a walking red flag. Men like that are the reason women want services like this in the first place.

Terf watch are not journalists they are a tra activist group who dox womens single sex groups and those who use them.
That bbc article is an absolute mess

Men think the BBC having "Women's Hour" is sexist.
They choose not to see how women's voices, history, point of views have been excluded.

But they want to play dress ups and pretend they are women and then control women again.

I can't f*cking stand it. I might get a t shirt that says "TERF: OUT AND PROUD".

I avoid that place - it makes me too sad seeing so many children being groomed and abused.

Social media ban for children can't come soon enough.

There will be scores of groups and services that include trans women in Brighton, so it’s very telling that they cannot allow women a single penis-free space.

I tell you what's a myth Terf Watch, trans women being women. Because they're not.
"Deliberately divisive" is what Terf Watch sounds like, not a group set up to support women who've been assaulted.

I'd bet that the "terf watcher" TRAs are all blokes in frocks, bullying women and trying to insert themselves into places women don't want them to be in is such classic toxic male behaviour. Evil abusers.

Males bullying women, re traumatising them. The men in frocks demonstrate toxic masculinity so clearly, i honestly think only men could be this vile to women who are survivors of abuse. 🤬🤬🤬👿

'Terf watch Brighton' appears to be an anonymous group set up to stalk and harass women. They post about women meeting, give names.

They post pictures of women's groups and call them 'mould infested' and talk about how they 'smell'. They talk about 'war' on feminists. Posts include 'TERFS OUT' and a celebration of the vandalism of a feminist conference.

It will be very instructive for anyone who goes looking for more info on them after the BBC interview and quote them. But it is horrifying and sinister that this is being described as journalism by the BBC.

It’s so depressing how much they hate women.