What's the deal guys?

[shadesOfTeal]

I don't think this post is going to last long but what's the deal with hating trans women so much? I've been a women for 13 years of my life since 18 and it's never been a problem. Suddenly I'm not only talk of the town but also an evil man stealing everyone's rights away from them? I wasn't much of a boy as a kid anyway but. I just wanted to ask like what's the deal? Why do you hate the idea of me existing so much? What have I personally done to you that's been so bad? I feel like I need to be careful with my words because it'll be easy to accuse me of all sorts but I've done no harm to anyone. If you want to ask a trans woman some honest questions then please do, I don't usually talk about it in my day to day life and that, I'm pretty down to earth and will help you understand as much as possible. But I'd like to ask the people that hate me so much, can we ever get along? Please don't assume I'm what the internet and the media says I am though, I'm not like that at all! I just want us all to get on and I'm sick of having my life debated every 5 minutes.

And yet.... that is not the point I am making.

It is irrelevant what you think your experience informs you or us of.

Again I will ask this question for the third time over different threads.

What part of this statement about female anatomy do you not understand?

You keep trying to tell us that somehow you have developed something that will disprove it. Yet, every single time you say something as inane as 'You know nothing about my experience', you are really just deflecting from the truth that you fail to understand female biology.

Here it is again.

No male person can have a female reproductive system and will never have the functionality of a female breast when it comes to having an interactive feeding system that allows the individual tailoring of milk for an infant's needs.

Do you even understand what you are not understanding?

NO. Your body cannot replicate the female breast functionality.
NO. No male person, regardless of any 'protocol' they have can replicate the female breast functionality.

It is impossible. Yet you continue to assert that you have female breasts and that female people simply are ignorant of how 'your' body has developed. Mate... fucking read something about breastfeeding and how the female body interacts.

I can assure you, from reading nearly every paper produced about male breast development and male people feeding their secretions to new born infants that we on this board DO know what we are talking about.

I think its more the lying that's a problem.

Oh! I have a blue beach wrap/shirt with "St Michael" on it. It was purchased in 1980 and I can still get into it, mainly because it was quite big. I wear it as a shirt these days.

Heeeeere's Johnny!

No. That is safeguarding principles formed around consent.

This has nothing, I repeat, NOTHING to do with same sex couples. I am really not sure how to word it to make it any clearer.

Telling a child that a male person is a female person is lowering their ability to perceive sex correctly in others. It lowers their personal boundaries. This is safeguarding principles and it is based on consent as well.

Something you have shown you do not understand.

I think it goes back to the point made by KitWyn - it is wrong to teach a child that a person's sex is a shameful secret that cannot be mentioned. It doesn't help anyone.

You seem to be stuck here for some reason. I produced and processed testosterone as everyone does regardless of sex. As to what happened in my puberty, I've already shared that. My voice never dropped. I've never shaved my face, though I do try to drop in for a wax every 6 weeks.

Sex realism would classify any experience lived by someone with XY as male. Even when very few males actually share the experience and especially if it is only shared by trans women.

You can't have HRT.
The R stands for "replacement ". You cannot replace what you've never had.

I agree. I have said this on other threads

You are claiming to be female (step mother) married to a male (father) and therefore in a heterosexual relationship

Or have the goal posts moved again?

Material reality says that you went through a version of puberty where your body not only produced and processed testosterone at male levels but you supplemented estrogen.

Your voice dropping is not a sign that you did not experience male puberty at all.

This question and your insistence on an answer has no impact on my life and the development of my own body a very long time ago. You hold beliefs that do not allow for discussion of my experience or medical facts in this context.

Never has a poster failed to live up to their user name as much as "onepostwonder

you can bore in and mansplain as much as you like

men are not women the same as aardvarks are not wombats, apples are not oranges and rabbits are not cats with a fluffy ball strapped to their arse!

Aaaaargh!

I'm trying to catch up, I really am, but sometimes it hurts to read 😂.

Please tell me that someone addressed this one somewhere in the ensuing pages.

No, don't bother - I'm turning away now, hiding my eyes, to take another break from it all...

I don't recall anyone telling me levels when I started, but testosterone was marginal within months.

I am a mother and step mother married to a man, yes.

If you wish to get mumsnet-pedantic, I would say I am an adoptive mother and step mother married to the birth father of my step son and adoptive father of our daughter.

I just wear women's shoes. There's a limited range that aren't in pastel colours, but at least they fit my unusually small male feet. My shoes don't make me a woman, and neither do my feet.

My hands are quite large. That's not what makes me a man. My natural reproductive biology does.

TBF you don't recall any of the complaints made here about not being comfortable about men like you in female facilities. You just chose to ignore what you don't like hearing so I think we'll all take you "I don't recall" with a pinch of salt (as we would if it were some idiot giving evidence in a court as advised by a lawyer to avoid incriminating themselves).

Although my eye caught this in the last second, and I'm very grateful for it. This is what keeps me coming back when the rest gets too much, dammit!

men are not women the same as aardvarks are not wombats, apples are not oranges and rabbits are not cats with a fluffy ball strapped to their arse!

The cats I know, btw, say that they'll be whatever they damn well want to be, thank you very much, and if that means rabbits (insignificant little things with fluffy little rabbit brains that they are) then they are rabbits, so there!

(Sound familiar?)

There is nothing new about preventing male puberty to preserve a boy's physique. (Although society had decided, until recently, that the practice is barbaric).

It is still not possible to change sex.

Obviously I would never dream of saying that in front of our cat overlords 😁

Everyone knows sex realists vibrate in rage at trans women being included within women's spaces. Sex realists do not police society. They don't create and enforce the rules, though it seems some really wish they could.

Sunshine if your GP is a Uk medical registered doctor the GP is applying UK medical standards to your male body. Failure to do so would be risking a clinical error.

The GP is not going to risk a clinical error and ending a professional career and although tiny possibility risk of a manslaughter charge just to pretend your body is female.

The GMC tend to get stroppy over poor clinical care and yank registrations when non-specialist play guineapig cashcow with patient care

You are being managed as a male body with a complex medical history taking off lable drugs.

I guess discussion has moved on to big pedophilia blocking development to preserve the pre-pubertal body of minors?