What's the deal guys?

[shadesOfTeal]

I don't think this post is going to last long but what's the deal with hating trans women so much? I've been a women for 13 years of my life since 18 and it's never been a problem. Suddenly I'm not only talk of the town but also an evil man stealing everyone's rights away from them? I wasn't much of a boy as a kid anyway but. I just wanted to ask like what's the deal? Why do you hate the idea of me existing so much? What have I personally done to you that's been so bad? I feel like I need to be careful with my words because it'll be easy to accuse me of all sorts but I've done no harm to anyone. If you want to ask a trans woman some honest questions then please do, I don't usually talk about it in my day to day life and that, I'm pretty down to earth and will help you understand as much as possible. But I'd like to ask the people that hate me so much, can we ever get along? Please don't assume I'm what the internet and the media says I am though, I'm not like that at all! I just want us all to get on and I'm sick of having my life debated every 5 minutes.

This is a very strange conversation for someone who professes to want to understand. You don’t want to - you just want us to agree that you’re a poor womanly poppet who passes in a heartbeat and is definitely a legitimate woman.

You know what, if you want to wear a dress and call yourself Lilith then you go for it. However, you need to reconcile yourself with your sex, because it is important at times. And you will always be seen as a man because you are - and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Can that still be an excuse in your 30s? 😂

Why do you believe that people hate you?

Just don't access female single sex provisions as per the EA2010, don't expect people to act like they believe your subjective reality is their material reality and you will no doubt be fine.

You may be "messing about" OP, but we are extremely serious about our safety, privacy and dignity.
Hear it.

If you don't hate people like me, then why the random childish insults? It's like you can't let it go?

I would like an adult conversation about this but can't find one. Everyone's saying their tired of my arguments but personally, I haven't made any. I'm just getting repeated media phrases and juvenile replies. Like I thought this was a forum for mum, why the need for trans related content?

@shadesOfTeal Quoting this post as you need to read it and take note.

And there was me being nice and wishing you well in dealing with your issues, and you were just messing!
Oh well🙄

Please don't feel the need to let us know your views on the "Litter Tray" board.

or What We're Reading. 'But your (sic) mums. Why the need for book related content guys?'

The thing is guys, so am I. But I can't talk about it. If I open up and tell you what I've experienced I'll be ridiculed, denied and it's exhausting. I get what women experience, which again, I'll be told I don't. And that's my point, I'm not allowed to fight for women as much as I'm not allowed to fight for myself. I don't know how to explain it. It doesn't matter what I say, I won't be listened to. I do understand why safety is a serious requirement and I want it for everyone. Not just myself. For my girlfriend, for my mum, for my sister, for my friends, for young girls and young boys. I'm just not taken seriously when I say it

No one hates you. Stay out of women's spaces and we're all good.

If you don't want to use the gent's, plan your day so that there are mixed sex toilets available for you.

You seem to be taking this personally when there's nothing personal about it. Doesn't matter if you're the kindest, gentlest person who ever lived, you're male so you need to stay out of women's spaces. It's like when women worry when they see a man walking behind them at night, crossing the road or getting one's keys or phone out has nothing to do with that particular man.

I'm triggered by men, including trans women, in women's spaces like loos. It has nothing to do with the particular man, it's a physiological PTSD response that I have no control over. Many women need or want single sex spaces so stay out.

We have had these arguments over and over and we have been kind and respectful. We are not wasting any more time on this nonsense. Men need to stay out of women's single sex spaces. That is all.

This is not a trans issue this is a women's rights issue.

If you want an adult conversation, how about you actually start one. You go first.

Go and tell the men.

this post is 17% first person pronouns. It's a thread record

He’s called us ‘guys’ twice as well - adding for a forum made up almost entirely of women 🤣

Yes, I’m not clear on the olive branch or why we need to try and change his mind. I don’t care enough.

No matter what you say you are not a woman and you are not female.

You cannot therefore experience what it is to be a woman, as that is impossible.

If you feel unsafe in the men's you need to take that up with them.

We are not your mothers, we do not need to give up our single sex spaces to protect you.

Lots of men who identify as trans women already use the men's facilities with no issues. You can do the same.

I don't mean to be rude but does your username have a meaning?

But how else am I supposed to take it when it personally effects me?

I've been going to therapy a lot recenlty for what I've been through. I wouldn't want someone to tell you that what you've went through didn't happen or it's all made up. It's honestly awful.

You are missing the point a bit, women are trying to tell you that you are going on about yourself rather a lot.

Rather than what is the reason for the “gender wars”

the issue for us is that if some biological men who think they are women, want to be affirmed in that belief by entering women's services, sport and all manner of women’s spaces, including breast feeding services.

Which none of us are happy about.

Defence of our right to single sex spaces does not amount to hate.

what amounts to hate is that many women have been hounded doxed and sacked from their jobs for defending our spaces.

And the lies peddled by trans right activists that trans people die in their thousands are the most marginalised bla bla bla

back in the day i saw men dressed as women as just another well a bit strange but whatever.

Because they did not mostly bother anybody else.

But now we see violence against women on a new front, trans right activism.

I'm sorry you feel so confused and scared. This probably isn't the best place to work things out.
The truth is usually the best way forward, so finding out the real facts is a good basis. Illusions and delusions just fall apart eventually.
I hope you get things sorted out and I wish you well...

Oh wait, I said that before, and then you said you were only messing..

“Guys” 3 times. 🙄

Do you think he was expecting questions about lipstick and how he "lives as a woman"?

So far, all I am seeing are accusations, mischaracterisations and misinformation.

'I don't think I'm the problem though'

So, you don't access any female single sex provision, and never have (including sport), you don't expect anyone to use female language for you and you don't claim any female language for yourself?

Ok.

mmm.... perhaps the poster has not realised that we are not their mum?

I don't want to use breast feeding servies. Look there's a lot of lies going around and I think a lot of it is caused by people trying to make themselves important by using 'trans issues' as a 'new thing'. Like the BBC thing with the "pregnant people" I didn't like that at all. Whoever made that decision didn't have anyone's best interest at heart. It's caused nothing but divide. I'm not going to be a mum I know that. I don't need to be included as "pregnant people".