Rupert Lowe & Restore Britain new party

[RogueFemale]

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/

He's been very good about pursuing rape gangs. But I wonder if it's motivated purely by concern for women and girls. I saw on the party website FAQs that 'high level" donors will receive a tie (presumably branded). No apparent thought given to the possibility of a high level female donor.

What is it about the 2 British-born independents that makes you categorise them as 'not British'?

Being anti-DEI doesn't make you a racist, but being pro-DEI could make you a racist because 'white guilt' is nothing but race baiting racism.

I mean, if we're talking about people not born in the UK being elected to political positions in the UK...

I've met Nus Ghani, the current Deputy Speaker of the House of Commons. I quite liked her. She was born in Kashmir, but grew up in Birmingham. Her constituency (rural, overwhelmingly white) has elected her multiple times with big majorities.

Nus knows that there's a problem with integrating minorities. The second time she was elected an MP, she got permission from the Speaker to take the oath in Urdu, because her mum would be watching and she didn't want her mum to have to ask a male family member to interpret for her.

I believe she's also married to an English bloke. If you're married into the tribe, you're part of the tribe as far as I'm concerned. (See also: Kemi Badenoch)

There are people on X who take huge offence to Nus Ghani having a role in political life. These are precisely the same people who like to slam Reform for having Zia Yusuf in a leading role. These people are absolute poison.

There are lots of people who may not be ethnically British but love the country they live in. There are some who don't, which is a problem. It's not really about race, it's about how people position themselves towards the country they live in and their fellow citizens.

It can get complicated. I don't like Muslim sectarian voting that elects MPs on their attitude to Gaza, but Adnan Hussain is an interesting guy who's been thinking about how working class Muslims in Blackburn have a lot in common with working class white people in Blackburn. I can see myself having a useful conversation with him. Maybe less so with senior Tory Bob Blackman, who invited a bunch of his Hindu constituents to Parliament for a celebration of Modi's birthday.

Lord alone knows what Rupert Lowe thinks about this, but as I've said, I think "Restore" - to the extent it has any ideology - will be defined by the angry young men who Rupert has hired to run his social media.

Nope. He said "We should ban those without native British ancestry from being MPs".

TBF if being born outside of the UK had been used to stop Boris Johnson standing, I may have been all for it. But we know that's not what it's about.

"In 2024, Reform UK MP Rupert Lowe drew attention for comments regarding footballer Paul Pogba stating, "Pogba's originally not from France, is he? He would be from Africa". Paul was born in France.

On his facebook all his comments about 'law abiding citizens from overseas' mention Australians and the French.
All his comments about 'filth' and 'criminals' refer to places like Pakistan and Africa.

MN always says listen to your gut.
My gut thinks he sounds a bit racist.

How far would he want that to go back?

Well yes they intend to scrap the GRA and protect all women’s single sex spaces from all men.

They also intend to bring prosecutions against the people involved in covering up the mass rape gangs which targeted poor girls and are still ongoing due to corrupt communities and professionals.

If nothing else surely you'd agree they are two massive things which would benefit women which no other parties are saying they'll do.

Your argument against non stun slaughter is ludicrous. The numbers of animals impacted in horse racing vs non stun slaughter is just not comparable. Race horses are treated wonderfully even if the races are high risk. AND importantly, you can choose to support hose racing or not, unlike the fact we are all being coerced without consent into eating meat slaughtered cruelly.

Why do you want to justify non stun slaughter with a non comparable example? Just because you hate Rupert Lowe?

And he hasn't said anything 'nice' about black people??? 😂 😂
I just can't 😂

Yes he's against DEI because it's racist.

Also him liking the country life in 1989 is also hardly a good reason to hate him. He is quite old and a farmer, and tbh it sounds quite nice to me.

You really are grasping at invisible straws in your objections to Rupert Lowe.
It's hilarious.

Also, some of us have done DNA tests.

There are Irish-American blowhards on the genealogy subreddits (many with very tenuous connections to Ireland) who will tell me I'm not Irish because Ancestry says I'm mostly Scottish and Manx (what can I say, North of Ireland endogamy is a thing) even though my ancestors have been in Ireland since before the United States existed.

So I don't believe that ethnicity is the be all and end all.

However.

People who say "there's no difference between immigration from Afghanistan and immigration from Australia" need their heads felt. Of course there's a difference, not a racial one but a cultural one. If you were talking about Afghan women fleeing Taliban misogyny, that might be one thing, but we're not talking about that, are we?

Wanting to deport a million immigrants is not far right, wanting to shoot a million immigrants and bury them out back is.

Thank you for replying @MalagaNights
I certainly don't hate Rupert Lowe, I'd not really clocked him until today and am only following this thread as I'm off ill.

I've been trying to find out more about him. You'll see I've asked many questions here.

Your points about GRA and rape gangs didn't really answer my question which was specifically about how will Restore "specifically benefit women in the workplace, health wise, financially"

Can you add anything on that?

I made no argument against no stun slaughter. I am totally against it.
I am also against blood sports ad the death of hundreds of race horses every year.

The 'nice' wasn't my word. It was AI.

I'm Rupert's age. I remember 1989 very well. Country life was good but hunting was not.

You sound very angry and quick to laugh at people.

Well that's an interesting question which it seems we as a county are going to need to have.

I suspect the British public think it will lie somewhere between:

You weren't born here, or brought up here, have no British family members who were, you obviously hate the country, and have an allegiance else where.

or

You can trace your roots back the Doomsday Book.

I don't know what Rupert Lowe thinks.

I don't even know what I think because the discussion has been supressed making it hard to discern what is right.

But I do know the discussion now has to be had and screaming everyone who wants to discuss it is a racist isn't going to work anymore.

I'm not angry. I'm bored with the playbook and laughing at it helps.

If you can't see how protecting women's spaces from men will benefit women...then I can't help you I'm afraid.

OK, far right is, to me and many people I know, to the right of the Conservative Party. Historically this was National Front, Combat 18, and is now Reform and whoever else positions themselves as anti immigration. Their other policies, if they have any, were not widely advertised. Everything fell under the umbrella of anti immigration and sending all black and brown people back to where they came from. And then, magically, the whole country will be filled with rainbows and work perfectly. Of course with the ever there threat of the jackboot if you did not agree with them.

Liberals are in the middle. Labour to the left. Conservatives to the right. Anything left of Labour is far left, SWP for example, and now Your Party. Its not difficult. I dont know why people are taking offence at parties to the right of the right wing parties being called far right, because they are further right than the right wing party. And they are anti immigration, which historically has always been a far right policy in the UK.

"we are all being coerced without consent into eating meat slaughtered cruelly."

I'm not, I don't eat meat.

Oh Jeez.

But you are aware quite a lot of people do don't do?

Do you support a ban on non stun slaughter?

You’re talking about kosher slaughter, right?

The orthodox Jewish people I know are about 95% vegetarian, because kosher meat is so expensive you can't afford it more than a few times a year.

And about 80% of halal slaughter is pre-stunned.

I'm not saying you can't be against them on animal welfare grounds, I'm just saying it's a very very niche concern.

As I said in my earlier post I can absolutely see how protecting women's spaces from men will benefit women. I knew that already but thanked you for pointing it out.

However, again, as I have previously said my question was regarding how will Restore "specifically benefit women in the workplace, health wise, financially"

I've read their policies and there is nothing on this. I am interested.

You criticise people for screaming at each other, but laughing is the same in that it silences debate and reasonable conversation.

If you were bored then why answer?

I'm talking about all non stun slaughter.

Why do you think it's only kosher?

Seriously? You can’t be that hard of thinking can you?
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Their other policies, if they have any, were not widely advertised.

Because they were labelled racists, racists racist and shut out of the national conversation. I dare say their other policies were just as revolting but we'll never know.

One things for sure they didn't go away, they were put nicely on the margins but then some stupid ideology came along and decided to drag all the boundary's down. You bring them down for one, you bring them down for all.

Yes, I'm aware people eat meat.

I've campaigned for Compassion in World Farming for 40 years now so I'm very aware.

I told you the answer to your 'do you support a ban on non stun slaughter' in my post of 1602. Yes, I support a ban. I never argued against it.

Not that I'm particularly interested in kosher slaughter as an issue, but I'd be interested to see the Venn diagram of "let's make Judaism illegal" and "everyone I disagree with is Hitler".

I am just asking for evidence.

Most people cannot spell fascism, let alone define it or, spot it in the real world.

What have you seen that is fascist?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or you know, any evidence at all?