Rupert Lowe & Restore Britain new party

[RogueFemale]

https://www.restorebritain.org.uk/

He's been very good about pursuing rape gangs. But I wonder if it's motivated purely by concern for women and girls. I saw on the party website FAQs that 'high level" donors will receive a tie (presumably branded). No apparent thought given to the possibility of a high level female donor.

If you were bored then why answer?

Because I'm tired of the assumptions and the empty rhetoric trotted out with such moral certainty, that I feel obliged to register an objection.

Seriously if you can't make a logical leap from how protecting women benefits them in the workplace, health wise and financially then I'm not going to try to explain that to you.

Great you seem to agree with Rupert Lowe on several things.

Like lots of people.

Please spend at least sixty seconds linking how you think the national front and combat 18 became Reform?

Because - the first two really were far right. Reform is not if you look at their polling (highest party) support for major policies like immigration reform and benefit reform (broad support across the country), nationalising key UK infrastructure like trains etc, huge support from everyone.

That makes them a middle ground party. Not far right.

You don't need to explain it, I get it.

This is one key issue of benefit to women. Is it the only one?

Are there no other policies for women? They make no mention of the NHS , health screening, childcare, maternity pay, the gender pay gap or domestic violence for example.

I suppose I was hoping they might have something along those lines rather than just the one, albeit key issue. Obviously not.

Well it's true I agree with him on that one issue.

Possibly not for the same reason as Rupert, but the same outcome.

But you also agree with him on the slaughter issue?

So that's at least 2 things we found already that you agree with Rupert on.

What about prosecuting people who covered up the rape gangs? Surely you'd want that?

So, I hear you're a racist now Caravan...? 😂

This is really important. Because actual far right parties have struggled to ever crack 2% of public support.

In fact if you look at the iterations of far right parties over the past 20 years - BNP, Generation Identity, Patriotic Alternative, Homeland - they've been on an ever decreasing circle where the party is smaller and it lasts a shorter amount of time before it implodes.

I expect that Restore will also implode, but that's because Rupert has got idiots working for him.

If you look at Reform voters, Luke Tryl of More In Common is really interesting on this.

The first 15% of Reform voters, basically their voters in 2024, are a distinct tribe and extremely loyal to Nigel. But they aren't really far right ideologically - they basically want what Boris promised in 2019 but either never got round to (levelling up) or did the opposite of (immigration)

The second 15% of Reform voters, to get them up to their current 30%, are what Luke calls Eve and Kylie. They're more female than old time UKIP/Reform voters. They're less ideological. They're less tied to Farage as a personality. What they are is voters who are despairing of politics, they feel everything has been crap since 2008, the Tories screwed us, Labour are screwing us harder, even if we don't have much faith in Farage's ability to sort things out he's still the only logical option we've got.

Farage is trying to appeal to Eve and Kylie. That's a big part of him bringing all these defectors on board, so he can say, I don't just have a crew of amateurs, Suella Braverman and Rob Jenrick and Nadhim Zahawi have been in the cabinet and know why government isn't working and might have some ideas about how to fix things.

An actual far right, white nationalist, kind of proposition would not get very far. Farage knows this because he had constant fights in UKIP against the Gerard Batten types who wanted to lash up with Tommy and be a niche anti-Islam party. I don't think Lowe knows that, or maybe he does know and doesn't care.

But in any case, the Hope Not Hate line of "anyone to the right of David Gauke is a fascist" really won't cut much ice any more.

Did you have any information on whether there are any other policies for women? They make no mention of the NHS , health screening, childcare, maternity pay, the gender pay gap or domestic violence for example?

I keep asking. There's nothing on their website.

Around 90% of uk-slaughter halal meat is done after stunning. It’s not, as far as I’m aware, possible to stun before kosher slaughter. So you’re talking about a de facto ban only on kosher slaughter, yes?

They want women to have more babies as per Matt Goodwin, candidate in Gorton and Denton.

All non stun slaughter. I don't care which religion.

We could then get into electrical/ reversible stunning vs conventional stunning and the animal welfare issues even in the meat 'stunned'.

I'd like to at least start with clear labelling of all meat and how it is slaughtered so we can make informed decisions.

If there's nothing on their website how would I know?

I'm not Rupert Lowe's best mate 😂

Any policies to benefit women have to know what a women is first though so I'd always start there if my primary concern was women.

He's not that keen on protecting single sex spaces for women. He's campaigning for men to be given camp beds on maternity wards. Not sure I'd fancy sharing a ward with a bunch of random blokes while coping with the aftermath of birth and breastfeeding anymore than I'd fancy meeting a TIM in the ladies toilet. If I'm pushed, probably less.

Is he? I imagine he thinks that's supportive of women but hasn't thought it though. He's not claiming they're women though is he?

But you seem to know a lot more about all Rupert's policies than me so I'm sure you've taken the time to understand why he's come up with this. I'd imagine he's going to be throwing lots of random stuff off the cuff which is ill thought through, some of which you may agree with and some you won't.

So what?

You know and I know what his position on the GRA and single sex spaces means. These 'gotchas' about race horses and maternity wards don't undermine the fact that you agree with Rupert Lowe, they just show that on some things you don't.

The inability to think logically here is incredible.

Politicians aside I think there should be clear labelling too.

As a non-eater so do I. Although I’ve certainly heard the argument that low-intensity slaughter carried out by a skilled shochet is less cruel and stressful for animals than mechanised pre-stun slaughter.

I've no idea whether I know more about his policies than you. How could I?
I've simply read about him writing to the department of health asking for better treatment for fathers because he feels they are not given due importance while women are giving birth. He wants them to be accommodated in camp bed on maternity wards and provided with pasta (bizarrely). If this is a misguided attempt to support women, there was no indication. It was all about the men's needs. Which is eerily familiar territory when it comes to women's spaces.
I'm not trying for a 'gotcha'. I don't need to play games. I'm merely pointing out that while this person may not support the GRA, he is actively campaigning to allow men into a woman's space where women are extremely vulnerable. Whether he refers to these men as men or calls them women makes no odds to that.

He personally harrassed women who worked with him and wants men on camp beds on maternity wards.

That would be a "No" from me.

No thanks we have more than enough far right parties in the UK thanks and I dont want my stepfather and siblings chucked out for not being white enough for you.
They have worked very hard over the years, paid their taxes and never claimed benefits.
So fuck off basically.

One trick pony.

Just saying, but there are quite a few posters on FWR who, back in the day, would have defended Gerry Healy.

Yet you agree with more than one of his tricks.

I can only conclude you are racist.

That's the logic we're using isn't it??

What are you basing that on?

All this: yes yes repealing the GRA is good, yes yes, protecting single sex spaces is good, yes banning men from women's sports is good, yes protecting girls in school is good...

Is very: BUT WHAT DID THE ROMANS EVER DO FOR US??!! 😂

Do you understand the difference between these positions?

1. Lowe is racist therefore I wouldn’t vote for his party even though I agree with him on some aspects of women’s rights.
2. Lowe is racist but I agree with him on some aspects of women’s rights therefore I’ll overlook the racism and vote for him.
3. I have no problem voting for Lowe as he isn’t racist.
4. I’ll vote for Lowe because I’m racist.