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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why has WPUK gone quiet?

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CatsCatsCatsCatsCatsCat · 13/02/2026 02:16

WPUK used to be leading the gender critical cause in the UK, but they’ve been very quiet the past few years?

https://womansplaceuk.org/

On their website, their last blog post is from 2024?

Woman's Place UK

Violence against women and sex discrimination still exist. Women need reserved places, separate spaces and distinct services.

https://womansplaceuk.org/

OP posts:
TinselAngel · 18/02/2026 08:46

Unusualdog · 18/02/2026 07:47

I didn’t say AGPs were good for feminism. I said AGPs who told the truth about their paraphilia were “strategically useful”.

I meant strategically useful to expose the reality of agp - not strategically useful to promote the cause of feminism

They don’t expose the reality of AGP though, they lie. And they impose themselves so that we are not listened to. But presumably you’re quite happy with that?

TinselAngel · 18/02/2026 09:14

Although as we’re “infantile” and believe in wizards apparently, probably we silly trans widows couldn’t be trusted to be put in a platform to speak about anything.

Unusualdog · 18/02/2026 12:35

TinselAngel · 18/02/2026 09:14

Although as we’re “infantile” and believe in wizards apparently, probably we silly trans widows couldn’t be trusted to be put in a platform to speak about anything.

If this is the calibre of your analysis, then no, I wouldn’t be rushing to give you a platform

TinselAngel · 18/02/2026 13:06

Unusualdog · 18/02/2026 12:35

If this is the calibre of your analysis, then no, I wouldn’t be rushing to give you a platform

The analysis was yours.

TinselAngel · 18/02/2026 21:06

But well done to unusualdog for saying the unsayable, but what I have long suspected, that trans widows are rarely platformed because firstly our exes are considered to be of greater strategic importance, and secondly because people think we’re stupid.

Bosky · 19/02/2026 02:47

TinselAngel · 18/02/2026 21:06

But well done to unusualdog for saying the unsayable, but what I have long suspected, that trans widows are rarely platformed because firstly our exes are considered to be of greater strategic importance, and secondly because people think we’re stupid.

Only people rendered stupid by arrogance could think that Transwidows are stupid.

I suspect that their exes are scared of them, and rightly so, because they better than any AGP can expose the reality of AGP.

Just out of interest, Unusualdog, have you actually bothered to find out what Transwidows have to say on the matter?

This is the site that Tinsel set up for Transwidows to explain what AGP is all about:

https://www.transwidowsvoices.org/

Have you seen this video? Promoting this could also help people to understand what AGP is:

Behind The Looking Glass - FIRST EVER Documentary about the Wives & Children of Trans-Identified Men

(There is a lot of other very good stuff on that Lime Soda Films channel too. Vaishnavi Sundar is a very talented film director.)

There is even more info about AGPs from Children of Transitioners here:
https://childrenoftransitioners.org/

Maybe you could consider whether, strategically, it might be worthwhile promoting the insights that Transwidows and Children of Transitioners have gained from living and suffering up close and personal with the reality of AGP?

Rather than the self-serving, exculpatory narratives woven by abusive men?

Trans Widows Voices | Sharing Women's Experiences | Women's Group | UK

A trans widow is a woman whose male partner believes that they have a gender identity other than “man” or who cross dresses. Women in this situation report feeling like their male partner has died. Trans Widows Voices is a womens group that exists to...

https://www.transwidowsvoices.org

Unusualdog · 19/02/2026 04:34

Where oh where do I say trans widows are stupid? Just because I specifically point out that tinsel gave a low calibre answers, does not mean that i believe tinsel represents all trans widows. She doesn’t. She just thinks she does.

TinselAngel · 19/02/2026 09:06

Unusualdog · 19/02/2026 04:34

Where oh where do I say trans widows are stupid? Just because I specifically point out that tinsel gave a low calibre answers, does not mean that i believe tinsel represents all trans widows. She doesn’t. She just thinks she does.

I wouldn’t have bothered curating a website with over 20 other trans widow’s stories, encouraging trans widows to take part in the film about them, or consulting them on what they want to be in Trans Widows Voices responses to government consultations or meetings with MPs etc, if I thought I could just speak for them.

Fortunately authors such as Helen Joyce and Sheila Jeffreys haven’t considered my contributions to be low calibre and have quoted me in their books, so I will not lose too much sleep over unusualdog’s opinion of me.

Bosky · 19/02/2026 14:58

Unusualdog · 19/02/2026 04:34

Where oh where do I say trans widows are stupid? Just because I specifically point out that tinsel gave a low calibre answers, does not mean that i believe tinsel represents all trans widows. She doesn’t. She just thinks she does.

This reminds of the old days, with a reversal.

Back then, we used to get AGPs coming on to WPUK threads berating us for not being nice enough to WPUK.

Now you come here on a WPUK thread telling us off for not being nice enough about AGPs and lobbing gratuitous insults at Tinsel.

How about answering my question? I will frame it slightly differently in case it was too oblique for you:

"Would you consider whether, strategically, it might be worth your while promoting the insights that Transwidows and Children of Transitioners have gained from living and suffering up close and personal with the reality of AGP?

Rather than the self-serving, exculpatory narratives woven by abusive men?"

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 21/02/2026 12:06

Unusualdog · 19/02/2026 04:34

Where oh where do I say trans widows are stupid? Just because I specifically point out that tinsel gave a low calibre answers, does not mean that i believe tinsel represents all trans widows. She doesn’t. She just thinks she does.

It's tempting to report this personal attack as it does break talk guidelines but actually it's given me a good laugh this morning because it's so obviously wrong. Tinsel 'low calibre answers' ? Bwahahahahahah 😂

You do realise the rest of us can read Tinsel's posts for ourselves, right?

I love it when people come on here and just hope that saying something obviously wrong will make us think it's true even when the evidence all points the other way, thinking that the mummies can't think for themselves.

TinselAngel · 21/02/2026 19:22

CatsCatsCatsCatsCatsCat · 13/02/2026 02:16

WPUK used to be leading the gender critical cause in the UK, but they’ve been very quiet the past few years?

https://womansplaceuk.org/

On their website, their last blog post is from 2024?

I wonder if it’s the same person that confidently posted a while ago that Vaishnavi and I had fallen out, which has no basis in fact whatsoever. We were and are, good friends.

TheCriticalThinker · 21/02/2026 19:42

Does anyone know what happened to the Actual Gender Critical Left Facebook page?

Last time I looked it was full of conspiracy theories, anti-Semitism and was kicking people out for 'misgendering' (true sexing)

TinselAngel · 21/02/2026 20:16

TheCriticalThinker · 21/02/2026 19:42

Does anyone know what happened to the Actual Gender Critical Left Facebook page?

Last time I looked it was full of conspiracy theories, anti-Semitism and was kicking people out for 'misgendering' (true sexing)

They made it into a private rather than a public group didn’t they?

TinselAngel · 21/02/2026 20:18

TinselAngel · 21/02/2026 19:22

I wonder if it’s the same person that confidently posted a while ago that Vaishnavi and I had fallen out, which has no basis in fact whatsoever. We were and are, good friends.

Sorry I meant to quote @womendeserveequalhumanrightsthere but somehow quoted the OP, I think.

IwantToRetire · 21/02/2026 22:05

TinselAngel · 21/02/2026 20:16

They made it into a private rather than a public group didn’t they?

They made it private when the newspaper reported that one of the founder members (and rigourous censorious on AGCL) and whose post of WPUK was so obnoxioiusly socialists are all saints and leaders was one of the last, is a BBC programme director? producer?

I think it was more the BBC didn't want anyone to see what one of their employees was saying, even in a personal capacity.

IwantToRetire · 21/02/2026 22:10

oops! Have just fact checked myself. Blush

I got two stories muddled.

See newspaper story https://vinnews.com/2025/10/21/bbc-producer-resigns-after-anti-semitic-post-targeting-erika-kirk-as-zionist-handler/

I did used to read AGCL when it was public and quite honestly all they did was post about how other feminists were some sort of traitors, eg WoLF. It all seemed quite personal rather than political.

ie very infantile student union politics, and yet seem to have lots of followers.

And dont actually remember many posts about feminism.

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TempestTost · 21/02/2026 22:42

I am not sure how it's even arguable that it is "not useful" to have first person accounts of AGP.

I found this useful myself when I suggested to a sceptical friend that she read one or more accounts like that, It was useful to her as well. Something that had seemed strange and not really believable to her was suddenly something she could wrap her head around, and it was important to the experiences she was having in her life at the time.

Accounts by others describing AGP are differernt. They also can be useful, but not always in the same way.

I've also found accounts by detransitioned women who describe AAP useful.

TinselAngel · 21/02/2026 23:09

I don’t think I can be bothered repeating myself. Life is too short.

Here’s a “low calibre” contribution from the archives

https://uncommongroundmedia.com/which-side-are-you-on-girls-trans-widows/

CheesemongersApprentice · 21/02/2026 23:21

There are two types of stories about AGP men. There are the stories that AGP men tell and there are the stories that their wives and families tell. We are all free to decide which ones we believe.

Bosky · 22/02/2026 02:55

Objectively, that is true.

However, I think it is reasonable of women to expect that on a Feminism-Women's-Rights board, if nowhere else, that their stories of being abused by men with sexual paraphilias would be given more credence than the stories of abusive men with sexual paraphilias.

Those men get to tell their stories regularly in the mainstream media and on TV, where they are celebrated uncritically.

Transwidows and the children of transitioners are, by comparison, virtually invisible.

When they do tell their stories they normally only attract media interest when they too celebrate the AGPs in their families. The only exception I can think of off-hand is when Suki Morys, Jan (James) Morris's daughter, wrote about her father and, shock horror!, she described a monster rather than the sweet and endearing little-old-lady persona that Morris had projected to the outside world.

Nobody would have cared what Suki Morys had to say if her father had not been famous. Nobody, that is, except the women on the Transwidows threads that Tinsel set up on the FWR Board on Mumsnet and, I would have hoped, women on other FWR threads.

Another downside of promoting the stories that AGPs tell is that when those stories put them in a negative light and we are shocked or disgusted by their gruesome revelations, that is exactly how they want us to feel. It is another cheap thrill for them.

Those stories also confirm what Transwidows and children of transitioners tell us.

So it is not a question of having to decide who to believe but of deciding whether we want to listen to women and children, or to the men who have abused them. Whether we want to promote abusive men, or the women and children they have abused.

Tinsel's website is literally called, "Transwidow's Voices". It blows my mind that women posting on FWR would not want to listen to them, or would listen but not believe what they say.

In what other circumstances would women posting on FWR say, "We are all free to decide which ones we believe."

Women who have suffered CSA - or paedophiles? Women who have suffered domestic violence - or the men who have brutalised them? Women who have been groomed into coercively controlling relationships - or the predators who held them captive?

Why the exception for Transwidows and children of transitioners?

Why, of all the women and children who have suffered abuse at the hands of men, of all the women and children who have endured family life with a man with a sexual paraphilia, why would we doubt that Transwidows and children of transitioners are telling the truth?

I am beginning to wonder if Unusualdog was wrong and these men are able to cast spells over women. I cannot think of any rational explanation for the suggestion that, as far as Transwidows, children of transitioners and AGPs are concerned, "We are all free to decide which ones we believe.".

CheesemongersApprentice · 22/02/2026 09:29

Sorry, it was late. I should have made it clear that I choose to believe the trans widows and children.

terryleather · 22/02/2026 09:51

Bosky · 22/02/2026 02:55

Objectively, that is true.

However, I think it is reasonable of women to expect that on a Feminism-Women's-Rights board, if nowhere else, that their stories of being abused by men with sexual paraphilias would be given more credence than the stories of abusive men with sexual paraphilias.

Those men get to tell their stories regularly in the mainstream media and on TV, where they are celebrated uncritically.

Transwidows and the children of transitioners are, by comparison, virtually invisible.

When they do tell their stories they normally only attract media interest when they too celebrate the AGPs in their families. The only exception I can think of off-hand is when Suki Morys, Jan (James) Morris's daughter, wrote about her father and, shock horror!, she described a monster rather than the sweet and endearing little-old-lady persona that Morris had projected to the outside world.

Nobody would have cared what Suki Morys had to say if her father had not been famous. Nobody, that is, except the women on the Transwidows threads that Tinsel set up on the FWR Board on Mumsnet and, I would have hoped, women on other FWR threads.

Another downside of promoting the stories that AGPs tell is that when those stories put them in a negative light and we are shocked or disgusted by their gruesome revelations, that is exactly how they want us to feel. It is another cheap thrill for them.

Those stories also confirm what Transwidows and children of transitioners tell us.

So it is not a question of having to decide who to believe but of deciding whether we want to listen to women and children, or to the men who have abused them. Whether we want to promote abusive men, or the women and children they have abused.

Tinsel's website is literally called, "Transwidow's Voices". It blows my mind that women posting on FWR would not want to listen to them, or would listen but not believe what they say.

In what other circumstances would women posting on FWR say, "We are all free to decide which ones we believe."

Women who have suffered CSA - or paedophiles? Women who have suffered domestic violence - or the men who have brutalised them? Women who have been groomed into coercively controlling relationships - or the predators who held them captive?

Why the exception for Transwidows and children of transitioners?

Why, of all the women and children who have suffered abuse at the hands of men, of all the women and children who have endured family life with a man with a sexual paraphilia, why would we doubt that Transwidows and children of transitioners are telling the truth?

I am beginning to wonder if Unusualdog was wrong and these men are able to cast spells over women. I cannot think of any rational explanation for the suggestion that, as far as Transwidows, children of transitioners and AGPs are concerned, "We are all free to decide which ones we believe.".

Great post Bosky, and I agree with what you say.

I’ve certainly heard more than enough stunning & brave self justification from the men who demand we call them women.

TinselAngel · 22/02/2026 11:51

As I’ve said before, feminists platforming AGPs/ “reasonable transexuals” is like if an anti beating your wife conference platformed a self identified “moderate wife beater”, and expected all the beaten wives in the audience to celebrate his bravery.

terryleather · 22/02/2026 14:07

TinselAngel · 22/02/2026 11:51

As I’ve said before, feminists platforming AGPs/ “reasonable transexuals” is like if an anti beating your wife conference platformed a self identified “moderate wife beater”, and expected all the beaten wives in the audience to celebrate his bravery.

Indeed.

It's remarkable that this still needs to be pointed out, especially here on FWR.

ArabellaScott · 22/02/2026 14:08

Maybe there's a bit of confusion over what 'platforming' means.