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GLP v EHRC judgement is coming tomorrow

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DownhillTeaTray · 12/02/2026 14:44

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

Jolyon Maugham KC (@goodlawproject.org)

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

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DabOfPistachio · 13/02/2026 11:45

So it seems like GLP are pretty much claiming that the judgement says trans women can use female single sex spaces while the judgement says the opposite.
At what point, does this complete mangling of the law by GLP have any consequences? If I were a law organisation and started posting for e.g that shoplifting were actually legal or driving without a licence, without actually doing it myself, then what come back could there be?
It feels like they're just making stuff up at this point

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/02/2026 11:45

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 11:36

This determination will presumably depend on there not being any other facilities available ( "unfavourable conditions"). If there is also a male toilet and/or a unisex toilet then the conditions are not unfavourable.

Edited

Very starkly noticeable that women, and women's article 8 rights, were entirely missing from the entire judgment. Women don't exist in this conversation.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/02/2026 11:46

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 11:30

GLP FAQ on the judgement:

"Is it lawful for service providers to allow, for example, trans women to use women’s toilets and changing rooms (and vice versa for trans men)?

Yes. "

"Is it unlawful to require trans people to use services corresponding to their sex as recorded at birth, for example, requiring trans women to use the men’s toilets?

It will likely be unlawful to require trans people to use services corresponding to their sex as recorded at birth."

https://goodlawproject.org/resource/faqs-trans-inclusion-after-the-high-court-decision-on-the-ehrcs-interim-guidance/

You will be surprised.

Edited

The judge said that people are supposed to police themselves. And no, that doesn't mean service providers can tell a trans person who they know is biologically male that he's OK to use women's facilities.

But some people just wont be told.

Catiette · 13/02/2026 11:46

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/02/2026 11:44

I have just read the GLP's FAQ on the judgment where they contradict themselves entirely on the same short page.

I thought they did that, too, then doubted myself. Talk about gaslighting, you feel like you're going a bit mad reading it. It seems to be deliberate, subtle distortion of equally subtle but key distinctions to create total uncertainty. And is clearly deliberate and strategic.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 11:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:36

Yes, I’m sure the GLP FAQ will be given all due attention and respect in court if women sue for indirect sex discrimination due to lack of a single sex changing room.

well indeed

BUT it IS the guidance that trap people will be using, and thats sort of important?

lcakethereforeIam · 13/02/2026 11:47

The Telegraph have rushed out an article

https://archive.ph/ShKz2

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/13/bosses-can-ban-trans-women-from-female-toilets/

Mmmnotsure · 13/02/2026 11:47

potpourree · 13/02/2026 11:40

The notion that an employer or anyone else is required to “police” the use of a lavatory, person by person and day by day, reveals the application of a “logic” so strict that it is divorced from reality and from any sensible model of human behaviour.

It is beautiful to see the response to the clearly ridiculous and disingenuous "argument " that we've had to put up with for years.

They are peaking the judiciary with their shitty Reddit whines.

That's what happens when you take academic linguistics and queer theory and try to force them onto the real world.

NotBadConsidering · 13/02/2026 11:47

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:42

That’s what I was wondering. Are they a charity? If so they can be reported to the Charity Commission I guess.

GLP is a not-for-profit organisation

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 11:48

ProfPerformativeBewildermentOBE · 13/02/2026 11:44

WTAF?! 🙀 🤯

Just, how are people so wilfully misunderstanding this?

it's deliberate. This will be the news trans people read, so there will continue to transgress.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:48

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 11:46

well indeed

BUT it IS the guidance that trap people will be using, and thats sort of important?

People who rely on their guidance deserve everything they get IMO. Perhaps they can sue them if they feel they were misled.

EasternStandard · 13/02/2026 11:48

What?

The EHRC have said the case is dismissed. They’re not changing their guidelines.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 11:48

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/02/2026 11:45

Very starkly noticeable that women, and women's article 8 rights, were entirely missing from the entire judgment. Women don't exist in this conversation.

I take that to mean that a case could be made ( in law) for a TW to use a female toilet if there were not any other provision. But of course, there tends always to be another provison in the form of a male toilet, and/or a unisex toilet.

AnSolas · 13/02/2026 11:48

Justnot · 13/02/2026 11:20

What does separate lavatories mean exaclty?

Do a search on user name Keeptoiletssafe and you will get loads of detail and threads

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/02/2026 11:49

https://goodlawproject.org/resource/faqs-trans-inclusion-after-the-high-court-decision-on-the-ehrcs-interim-guidance/

from this doc:

Is it lawful for service providers to allow, for example, trans women to use women’s toilets and changing rooms (and vice versa for trans men)?

Yes. The High Court is very clear that it will likely be lawful for service providers to allow trans people to use toilet and changing room facilities which align with their lived gender. There is no requirement of a ‘bathroom ban’.
The High Court concluded, at [26] (emphasis added):
“The [Interim Update] concerned when it would be permissible for a service provider to make a single-sex provision. It does not exclude or prohibit other provision.

Later in the same doc:

What are the requirements for the provision of toilets, washing, and changing rooms in the workplace?

Workplaces are required to provide toilet, washing, and changing facilities on a single-sex basis except where these are provided in individual rooms which are lockable from the inside.
Single-sex toilet, washing, and changing facilities in the workplace must be provided on the basis of ‘biological sex’. It is not permissible for employers to allow, for example, trans women to use the women’s toilets, and for those toilets to be considered single-sex for the purpose of the workplace regulations.
The High Court is clear that this does not prohibit providing additional provision which is not single-sex, at [26]:

Er.....................??

potpourree · 13/02/2026 11:49

Pink News write false stuff on purpose for clicks. We've seen it before - didn't they have to apologise? Ergo more clicks.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:49

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 11:48

it's deliberate. This will be the news trans people read, so there will continue to transgress.

Yes, exactly, agree that’s why they are doing it.

theilltemperedamateur · 13/02/2026 11:49

ProtectedlyInsufferable · 13/02/2026 11:43

I think this interpretation of the passage is wrong. Surely he’s saying to allow trans women and not cis men to use the ladies is discriminatory against men?

This is the one aspect where reports are wildly at odds.

Service providers can't be forced to provide single-sex facilities in the first place, so it's more a question of labelling/building regs??

No option but to make coffee and read judgment avoid chores.

No sign of a press summary on the Judiciary website so they must think it insufficiently interesting.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 11:50

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 11:48

it's deliberate. This will be the news trans people read, so there will continue to transgress.

This will continue until the government sets the record straight and unequivocally validates the Supreme Court judgement in full.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/02/2026 11:50

Trying to say that work places have single sex spaces but that's the limit of it? Services are mixed sex regardless of labels?

weegielass · 13/02/2026 11:51

is it not a crime or something to misrepresent the law / legal judgements? Can't anything be done? IANAL

Catiette · 13/02/2026 11:51

Am I right in saying that even the DT's opening para. is (inadvertently, I'd assume) misleading:

Employers can legally ban transgender women from using female toilets and changing rooms, the High Court has ruled.

  1. Sure it's not "can", but "must", as FWS confirmed that women (& female) = well... female!

  2. "Has ruled" suggests this is a new development, but it's not - like the FWS judgement, it's just confirmation of what always was.

This is maddening.

DrudgeJedd · 13/02/2026 11:51

NotBadConsidering · 13/02/2026 11:47

GLP is a not-for-profit organisation

With one shareholder who chooses the directors.
Guess who that is?

BezMills · 13/02/2026 11:52

The more fiction that GLP gives out, the bigger the come down when reality bites.

It's certainly not going to be me crying into my cornflakes when it turns out I've been massively fibbed to and spaffed all my money crowdfunding for the privilege.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 11:52

theilltemperedamateur · 13/02/2026 11:49

This is the one aspect where reports are wildly at odds.

Service providers can't be forced to provide single-sex facilities in the first place, so it's more a question of labelling/building regs??

No option but to make coffee and read judgment avoid chores.

No sign of a press summary on the Judiciary website so they must think it insufficiently interesting.

This only applies when there is not a matching male equivalent or a unisex provision. If there wasn't such an equal provision then this would be the " unfavourable conditions" referred to.

But where do you ever see a female only toilet without there being one for men or a unisex one too?

AnSolas · 13/02/2026 11:52

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 11:23

Good to see one of the government's barristers ridiculous arguments being dismissed.

I'll be interested to see if the judgement addresses the case by case assessment that my MP is so in favour of.

A guess the possible sex offender case by case or a passabilty test case by case ?

Naaa ...... I cant see any possible issues with either of those options
🙄😬

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