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GLP v EHRC judgement is coming tomorrow

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DownhillTeaTray · 12/02/2026 14:44

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

Jolyon Maugham KC (@goodlawproject.org)

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

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ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 11:34

I wonder if the GLP will appeal. I assume they will as there will be no shortage of people willing to keep throwing money at them.

If it goes to appeal, which court will it be heard by next? And how long until it could get back to the Supreme court?

EasternStandard · 13/02/2026 11:34

So confused. It seems to me the EHRC have taken it as our guidelines are fine. So if they don’t need to amend them then great.

AnSolas · 13/02/2026 11:34

Oooo My Word 🤳 🙈

The Judge appointed 💥Genital Inspectors💥

I am shocked!
Just shocked that an Employer can set this as a role task for each Individual Employee.
How can it be possible that the Employee is expected to self regulate in their workplace?

“An employer who provides the lavatories required in the rooms required, and who in good faith adopted and applied a policy that the female lavatories were available only to biological women and the male ones only available to biological men, would do what is required by the Regulations. The employees concerned would know what was expected of them.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 11:35

The actual judgement is great from what I’ve read so far. Love the shooting down of the TRA toilet policing argument.

GLP v EHRC judgement is coming tomorrow
Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:36

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 11:30

GLP FAQ on the judgement:

"Is it lawful for service providers to allow, for example, trans women to use women’s toilets and changing rooms (and vice versa for trans men)?

Yes. "

"Is it unlawful to require trans people to use services corresponding to their sex as recorded at birth, for example, requiring trans women to use the men’s toilets?

It will likely be unlawful to require trans people to use services corresponding to their sex as recorded at birth."

https://goodlawproject.org/resource/faqs-trans-inclusion-after-the-high-court-decision-on-the-ehrcs-interim-guidance/

You will be surprised.

Edited

Yes, I’m sure the GLP FAQ will be given all due attention and respect in court if women sue for indirect sex discrimination due to lack of a single sex changing room.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 11:36

Catiette · 13/02/2026 11:29

I think this part from the Sex Matters analysis and summary addresses that seemingly problematic Paragraph 61 from the judgement? (Tell me if I'm wrong; skimming, and finding it all quite complex). It makes sense to me, though, and put like this is very clear.

The EHRC update says: “If trans women are permitted to use a single-sex female lavatory all biological males must be permitted to use that lavatory.” Mr Justice Swift accepted that it could be direct discrimination to exclude a man from the ladies’ toilets (or other services for women), but he said this would depend on the facts of the case as to whether this was “less favourable treatment”.

This determination will presumably depend on there not being any other facilities available ( "unfavourable conditions"). If there is also a male toilet and/or a unisex toilet then the conditions are not unfavourable.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:36

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 11:34

I wonder if the GLP will appeal. I assume they will as there will be no shortage of people willing to keep throwing money at them.

If it goes to appeal, which court will it be heard by next? And how long until it could get back to the Supreme court?

Why would they appeal, they won 😂

Veilsofmorning · 13/02/2026 11:36

potpourree · 13/02/2026 11:22

Classic example of when a woman suggests something (for a decade) it's dismissed but when you pay a rich man to say it, suddenly it's the solution...

Doesn’t even have to be rich - sufficient that a male says it

Notanorthener · 13/02/2026 11:37

Catiette · 13/02/2026 11:29

I think this part from the Sex Matters analysis and summary addresses that seemingly problematic Paragraph 61 from the judgement? (Tell me if I'm wrong; skimming, and finding it all quite complex). It makes sense to me, though, and put like this is very clear.

The EHRC update says: “If trans women are permitted to use a single-sex female lavatory all biological males must be permitted to use that lavatory.” Mr Justice Swift accepted that it could be direct discrimination to exclude a man from the ladies’ toilets (or other services for women), but he said this would depend on the facts of the case as to whether this was “less favourable treatment”.

Yes he’s addressing the qu of whether non-trans identifying men are discriminated against by not being able to use the ladies. The issue of whether letting trans identified men use the ladies is discriminatory/harassment of women is a separate argument. So GLP are twisting the judgement.
And further, the judge says it will depend on the facts of the case anyway.
You can see in real time here how the law gets twisted and “stonewall law” gets embedded.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 11:38

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 11:34

I wonder if the GLP will appeal. I assume they will as there will be no shortage of people willing to keep throwing money at them.

If it goes to appeal, which court will it be heard by next? And how long until it could get back to the Supreme court?

It doesn't follow that another appeal will be accepted, though.

Catiette · 13/02/2026 11:39

Notanorthener · 13/02/2026 11:37

Yes he’s addressing the qu of whether non-trans identifying men are discriminated against by not being able to use the ladies. The issue of whether letting trans identified men use the ladies is discriminatory/harassment of women is a separate argument. So GLP are twisting the judgement.
And further, the judge says it will depend on the facts of the case anyway.
You can see in real time here how the law gets twisted and “stonewall law” gets embedded.

It's both fascinating and horrifying. How can the GLP get away with misrepresenting the judgement so cynically on their w/s? Is there no redress for this?

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 11:40

borntobequiet · 13/02/2026 11:25

It’s really a great read

The final contention in support of this submission is that a reading of regulation 20 that require the lavatories in the room provided for men to be used by biological men, and those in the room provided for women to be used by biological women, would place too great a burden on employers, requiring them to either “police” the use of lavatories or risk prosecution for breach of the 1992 Workplace Regulations. This point is significantly overstated.

The notion that an employer or anyone else is required to “police” the use of a lavatory, person by person and day by day, reveals the application of a “logic” so strict that it is divorced from reality and from any sensible model of human behaviour.

Edited

Judge says " Use your common sense".

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 11:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:36

Why would they appeal, they won 😂

True 🤣🤣

potpourree · 13/02/2026 11:40

The notion that an employer or anyone else is required to “police” the use of a lavatory, person by person and day by day, reveals the application of a “logic” so strict that it is divorced from reality and from any sensible model of human behaviour.

It is beautiful to see the response to the clearly ridiculous and disingenuous "argument " that we've had to put up with for years.

They are peaking the judiciary with their shitty Reddit whines.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:42

Catiette · 13/02/2026 11:39

It's both fascinating and horrifying. How can the GLP get away with misrepresenting the judgement so cynically on their w/s? Is there no redress for this?

That’s what I was wondering. Are they a charity? If so they can be reported to the Charity Commission I guess.

BettyBooper · 13/02/2026 11:42

Catiette · 13/02/2026 11:39

It's both fascinating and horrifying. How can the GLP get away with misrepresenting the judgement so cynically on their w/s? Is there no redress for this?

I was wondering the same...

BeaTwix · 13/02/2026 11:43

Have the journos at Pink News actually read the fucking judgment?

I have no idea how they got that headline.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 11:43

Catiette · 13/02/2026 11:39

It's both fascinating and horrifying. How can the GLP get away with misrepresenting the judgement so cynically on their w/s? Is there no redress for this?

Or indeed the government's own lawyers.

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 11:43

potpourree · 13/02/2026 11:40

The notion that an employer or anyone else is required to “police” the use of a lavatory, person by person and day by day, reveals the application of a “logic” so strict that it is divorced from reality and from any sensible model of human behaviour.

It is beautiful to see the response to the clearly ridiculous and disingenuous "argument " that we've had to put up with for years.

They are peaking the judiciary with their shitty Reddit whines.

And again, this is exactly what Baroness Faulkner said - that there will be no toilet police but people will be expected to follow the law, as they do in other walks of life. All this nonsense about people having their genitals inspected at the door has been dreamt up in TRAs imaginations. It's good to see it so unequivocally dismissed by the court.

ProtectedlyInsufferable · 13/02/2026 11:43

theilltemperedamateur · 13/02/2026 11:17

😱 user name checks out!

He must have ignored the evidence that mixed-sex facilities are indirect sex-discrimination.

I think this interpretation of the passage is wrong. Surely he’s saying to allow trans women and not cis men to use the ladies is discriminatory against men?

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 13/02/2026 11:44

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 11:11

That’s my reading of it too. I think GLP are misinterpreting the ruling here.

I have just read the GLP's FAQ on the judgment where they contradict themselves entirely on the same short page.

ProfPerformativeBewildermentOBE · 13/02/2026 11:44

WTAF?! 🙀 🤯

Just, how are people so wilfully misunderstanding this?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 11:44

They got it straight from Foxy, and they have a vested interest in click bait and spreading fake news.

ItsCoolForCats · 13/02/2026 11:44

Have the Pink News "journalists" been doing their research on Reddit?

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