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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

GLP v EHRC judgement is coming tomorrow

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DownhillTeaTray · 12/02/2026 14:44

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

Jolyon Maugham KC (@goodlawproject.org)

Listing in the Administrative Court for tomorrow not before 11am: read out of the judgment in our challenge to the EHRC Interim Guidance.

https://bsky.app/profile/goodlawproject.org/post/3meo6ow7ow22k

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 13:56

No word of a lie

“We're subhuman in their eyes.
Same as black people were before. Same as women were before and the same as gay people were before.
We aren't seen as equal so they don't see it as discrimination. ”

and

“Words mean whatever they want them to mean”

in all seriousness HOW did two sides get to such opposite ideas of reality? How the hell?

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1r3o2fs/how_can_anyone_think_that_this_isnt_discrimination/

Mmmnotsure · 13/02/2026 13:59

FranticFrankie · 13/02/2026 13:43

The trans sub-reddit is er .. interesting
So much worry about being outed

Sad times

That's the result of being lied to, that people can't tell the difference in real life. And/or of being male and having no idea what it is to be a woman and navigate the world, including how most women will react when they enter a sss and find a strange male in there.

At one point, somewhere before the dawn of time, there might have been a scintilla of sympathy.

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2026 14:00

gruit · 13/02/2026 13:49

I bet all the D list “celebrities” who signed up to the GLP concert thingy at Wembley are glad to be raising yet more money for such a worthwhile cause. I mean, the only way their fundraising money could be put to better use is if it was flushed down the toilet.

It was vanishingly unlikely ever to make any money anyway.

gruit · 13/02/2026 14:02

Chersfrozenface · 13/02/2026 14:00

It was vanishingly unlikely ever to make any money anyway.

yep, just another virtue signalling navel gazing exercise for the hard of thinking…

lcakethereforeIam · 13/02/2026 14:03

I suspect a good chunk of transreddit never leave the house. All the talk of public toilets, being outed, etc. is entirely theoretical. None of their frothing is helpful to them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 14:05

Agree.

gruit · 13/02/2026 14:05

lcakethereforeIam · 13/02/2026 14:03

I suspect a good chunk of transreddit never leave the house. All the talk of public toilets, being outed, etc. is entirely theoretical. None of their frothing is helpful to them.

yep, exactly this

PrettyDamnCosmic · 13/02/2026 14:06

spannasaurus · 13/02/2026 13:55

He gets to keep his KC because that's usually only withdrawn if the barrister is disbarred (and not always then). As he's no longer registered he can't be disbarred afaik

I'm a retired doctor with no licence to practise but am still regulated by the GMC so I could still be struck off the medical register for any of the usual reasons that doctors get struck off e.g. criminal activity, bringing the profession into disrepute etc

Another2Cats · 13/02/2026 14:07

MalagaNights · 13/02/2026 13:04

Thanks for this.

So is the judgement saying there could be a case for trans women to use women's facilities without it necessarily discriminating against other men?
But unless there were also single sex women's facilities this would be indirect discrimination against women?

So you could have a situation where there are:
Single sex men's toilets
Single sex women's toilets
Mixed sex toilets
And women's toilets for women and transwomen??

Good grief.

Remember when they told us how silly we were to go on about toilets all the time?

"So is the judgement saying there could be a case for trans women to use women's facilities without it necessarily discriminating against other men?"

Yes, as long as the men's toilets were no less favourable than the women's then the judge said that a "strong argument" could be made that allowing trans-identifying men to use the women's toilet does not necessarily constitute direct discrimination for other men.
.

"But unless there were also single sex women's facilities this would be indirect discrimination against women?"

Again, yes it may be indirect discrimination. Also, if this was a workplace then there would still be a requirement to have single-sex toilets in addition.

Mollyollydolly · 13/02/2026 14:08

The thing I really really hate about Jolyon ... when I go on the Reddit board I actually feel sorry for most of them, really vulnerable people who are lost in a fantasy, completely out of touch with reality. And what does he do? He encourages them, deceives them, it's wicked and cruel and not compassionate in any way, shape or form.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 13/02/2026 14:10

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 13:02

They are just utterly paranoid. As if anyone would notice that someone is using a gender neutral toilet and not the single sex loos.

Maybe TRAs could help out by only using gender neutral loos that should generate enough camouflage traffic that trans folk are not noticed

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/02/2026 14:13

Mollyollydolly · 13/02/2026 14:08

The thing I really really hate about Jolyon ... when I go on the Reddit board I actually feel sorry for most of them, really vulnerable people who are lost in a fantasy, completely out of touch with reality. And what does he do? He encourages them, deceives them, it's wicked and cruel and not compassionate in any way, shape or form.

This. An awful lot of them as pointed out upthread, are alienated from society, not working, very mentally vulnerable. Increasingly they're the young people who've been gaslit from school age, are frankly all at sea and hanging on to an online world where the JM's & the AGP men of the world can continue to gaslight and use them for their own ends.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/02/2026 14:13

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 13/02/2026 14:10

Maybe TRAs could help out by only using gender neutral loos that should generate enough camouflage traffic that trans folk are not noticed

Exactly. They could all be allies and wear “you can pee next to me” T-shirts. 🤭

PrettyDamnCosmic · 13/02/2026 14:13

Well balanced article prominent on the home page of the Guardian. Written by Libby Brookes who is one of the few sensible journalists left there. It includes a nice quote from Mary-Ann Stephenson

On Friday, Mr Justice Swift found the GLP “does not have standing to bring the challenge in this case” and rejected the arguments put by the group, along with two trans people and one intersex person, that the interim advice was rushed, legally flawed and excluded trans people from accessing services they had been using for years.
Welcoming the high court decision, the EHRC chair, Dr Mary-Ann Stephenson, said: “As Britain’s equality regulator, we uphold and enforce the Equality Act. This is the second time the way we have done our duty in the wake of the supreme court’s ruling has been tested in the courts. Both times our actions have been found to be lawful.
“It’s our job to champion everyone’s rights under the Equality Act, including those with the protected characteristics of sex, sexual orientation and gender reassignment. A shared and correct understanding of the law is essential to that endeavour.”

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2026/feb/13/good-law-project-loses-challenge-interim-ehrc-advice-single-sex-spaces

Good Law Project loses challenge to interim EHRC advice on single-sex spaces

Judge rejects argument that advice is legally flawed and excludes trans people from services they have long used

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2026/feb/13/good-law-project-loses-challenge-interim-ehrc-advice-single-sex-spaces

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2026 14:14

Mollyollydolly · 13/02/2026 14:08

The thing I really really hate about Jolyon ... when I go on the Reddit board I actually feel sorry for most of them, really vulnerable people who are lost in a fantasy, completely out of touch with reality. And what does he do? He encourages them, deceives them, it's wicked and cruel and not compassionate in any way, shape or form.

Hard not to think of Trump and MAGA.

DolphinOnASkateboard · 13/02/2026 14:14

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 13:56

No word of a lie

“We're subhuman in their eyes.
Same as black people were before. Same as women were before and the same as gay people were before.
We aren't seen as equal so they don't see it as discrimination. ”

and

“Words mean whatever they want them to mean”

in all seriousness HOW did two sides get to such opposite ideas of reality? How the hell?

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1r3o2fs/how_can_anyone_think_that_this_isnt_discrimination/

I think part of it is the result of people being lied to, of thinking this case was something it's not. It has never been a forum for deciding whether trans people are "worthy of rights" or whatever, it's literally just about interpreting what the law currently says. There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone on trans reddit campaigning to change the law so that it aligns with their view, but - as the GLP used to say back when they were focussed on Brexit etc - you can't just ignore existing laws simply because you don't personally like them.

Imnobody4 · 13/02/2026 14:15

Won't Phillipson have to make a statement on whether the Gov will support/intervene in an appeal? Considering the humiliation of their barrister they'd be insane not to disassociate themselves asap.

Easytoconfuse · 13/02/2026 14:16

MarieDeGournay · 13/02/2026 13:07

"Perhaps your colleagues notice you have suddenly and strangely started using the disabled toilets – and they work out that you are trans."

If they were sensible people, they would work out that either
[a] you had become disabled or
[b] you are still able-bodied, and suddenly and strangely have stopped respecting disabled people's spaces.

I don't think it'd be seen as strange at all. It'd be 'I was just nipping in because... insert unlikely excuse. I have personal experience of 'the light's better for my make up'

SternJoyousBeev2 · 13/02/2026 14:17

Lilyfreedom · 13/02/2026 12:13

I do have my doubts about PTD. He seems far too level headed and sensible to truly espouse the beliefs he purports to.

I would personally love him to come and debate here - maybe we would actually get an honest, intellectual debate for a change?

I doubt it - he still wants us to lose our rights to single sex spaces, services and opportunities. He just understands what the rulings say and that JM is a grifter.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 14:17

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 13/02/2026 13:56

No word of a lie

“We're subhuman in their eyes.
Same as black people were before. Same as women were before and the same as gay people were before.
We aren't seen as equal so they don't see it as discrimination. ”

and

“Words mean whatever they want them to mean”

in all seriousness HOW did two sides get to such opposite ideas of reality? How the hell?

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1r3o2fs/how_can_anyone_think_that_this_isnt_discrimination/

Via a total inability to think critically and an over reliance on second hand information and social media posts for one's education and information.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 13/02/2026 14:18

PrettyDamnCosmic · 13/02/2026 14:06

I'm a retired doctor with no licence to practise but am still regulated by the GMC so I could still be struck off the medical register for any of the usual reasons that doctors get struck off e.g. criminal activity, bringing the profession into disrepute etc

You don't have to be. I have chosen not to remain on the register (saving a three figure sum each year) as without a licence to practise it seems pointless. And the GMC have no jurisdiction over me whatever.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/02/2026 14:19

Imnobody4 · 13/02/2026 14:15

Won't Phillipson have to make a statement on whether the Gov will support/intervene in an appeal? Considering the humiliation of their barrister they'd be insane not to disassociate themselves asap.

But this was an appeal. You can't just keep appealing when your first appeal fails. The judge comprehensively dismantled and dismissed it.

ItsNotUnusualToBe · 13/02/2026 14:20

“Divorced from reality and from any sensible model of human behaviour.

my new favourite phrase .

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2026 14:20

WorriedMutha · 13/02/2026 08:06

The parties representatives are often informed of the judgment in advance but under a strict obligation to observe an embargo. I am assuming from his comment that they've lost. "We'll have something to say about this tomorrow'. It is also telling that it is a 5 minute slot. It could just be that it is an immediate dismissal for not having standing.

On Friday, Mr Justice Swift found the GLP “does not have standing to bring the challenge in this case”

MarieDeGournay · 13/02/2026 14:21

Another2Cats · 13/02/2026 14:07

"So is the judgement saying there could be a case for trans women to use women's facilities without it necessarily discriminating against other men?"

Yes, as long as the men's toilets were no less favourable than the women's then the judge said that a "strong argument" could be made that allowing trans-identifying men to use the women's toilet does not necessarily constitute direct discrimination for other men.
.

"But unless there were also single sex women's facilities this would be indirect discrimination against women?"

Again, yes it may be indirect discrimination. Also, if this was a workplace then there would still be a requirement to have single-sex toilets in addition.

Happy Cartoon GIF by Klassenheld

I wish the judge had kept his thoughts about the possibility of perhaps making a case for transwomen using women's facilities in some limited circumstances... for a collegiate chat with a judicial colleague, instead of throwing scraps of material for GLP&co to misuse🙄

Apart from that, Mr Justice Swift was great. His name would make a great Marvel cartoon character -

Wherever there is wrong-doing!
Wherever there is injustice!
Wherever men are using women's spaces!
Wherever the GLP are trying it on again!
<WHOOSH>
Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?
No it's
MR JUSTICE SWIFT!
da da daaaah!

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