Olivia Colman: “I’ve always described myself to my husband as a gay man.” 🙄

[NaysayerOrMeanie]

Olivia Colman is currently on the press tour for her new film Jimpa and has come out with some absolute corkers in an interview with them "magazine" including:

"Throughout my whole life, I’ve had arguments with people where I've always felt sort of nonbinary. Don’t make that a big sort of title! But I’ve never felt massively feminine in my being female. I’ve always described myself to my husband as a gay man. And he goes, “Yeah, I get that.”"

Which I can only assume means he likes it when she pegs him.

And a dig at some undefined group of naysayers and haters and meanies:

"Most of the actors were from, particularly in the Dutch side of things, from the queer community there; I’ve never been part of a more welcoming group of people. For all those naysayers or haters or meanies, if [only] they could spend the time with the most welcoming, kind bunch of people. I kind of want everyone to just come and say hi and actually feel total love."

Jimpa stars Olivia Colman as Hannah, mother to the non-binary Frances (played by they/them, non-binary, queer, transgender daughter of the film's director, Aud Mason-Hyde) who go to Amsterdam to visit Hannah's gay HIV positive father (John Lithgow, currently simultaneously scorned by the queers for daring to be in the new Harry Potter series, any by the meanies for talking shit about JKR). I'm sure it will be a hoot.

Congratulations Olivia on your brave coming out as a queer, non-binary, gay man, spicy-straight woman. You're so late to the party all the cool kids will find your identity embarrassing now.

I think she's just picking up the kind of language and use that are around now. It's not in any way deep or thoughtful, it's rather silly, but I'd hesitate to call it offensive.

I have noticed a really marked increase in stereotyped descriptions in pop culture, and not just about sex, or sexuality, but also about race and ethnicity. There are whole series of reels for example on things like "How black people vs white people go to a PTA meeting," or "how Middle Eastern mothers deal with tradesmen" and things along those lines.

Which I remember being predicted when identity politics started to take over the discourse, and I guess it's totally logical that if you believe that kind of ideology, that is where it would lead you.

It's not hate. It's being fed up of gender stereotypes and regressive casual homophobia. .

Do we need your permission to express this view?

No.

Or if she said she didn't feel particularly white and therefore identifies as black.

That worked well for Rachel Dolezal, didn't it?

Hate is another one of those words like transphobia that has been debased by it being flung at everything that isn't agreement.

no one here hates OC, we don't know her. No one here hates her views they just find them idiotic/facile/insulting/asinine - take your pick

Its brain dead 'thinking'.

"Everyone should just be able to do whatever they feel - you do you!

(Women point out how this behaviour is systematically damaging to them as a sex class)

"Ooh you're all hateful meanies"

She’s too ridiculous to hate.

Quite. She should try that. See what happens.

Hate has become a substitute word for "disagree with". We disagree with her, therefore - according to some people - we hate her. It's just more polarising, limiting nonsense.

No it wasn't! Queer bashing was a major occupation for a certain type of man with a number of my male gay friends being subject to it in the 80s and 90s. A small number of activist groups (the GLF, Outrage etc) did attempt to reclaim the word in the face of extreme homophobia. But queer bashing men (and occasionally women) was a major sport for thugs who would lie in wait around the gay clubs in the 70s - 90s.

That's why so many of us still remember the violent homophobia of it as it was the lived experience of too many of our community.

eta - don't mean to derail. Just get irritated at the repeated rewriting of LGB history

There is no hate, just disagreement, but if there was, using your logic, why can’t people express their dislike for her if that’s how they really feel? Or are only some people allowed to express how they feel?

Not being eight, I don't 'hate' anything or anyone, as I have Big Girl words and can actually express myself.

I am frustrated with naive and privileged women with a public voice, who use it to foolishly and clumsily push a narrative that oppresses and harms women less fortunate than they are. I am exasperated by the culture that promotes and supports such views while repressing the views and voices of women with different experiences, hence the BBC report describing the serious issues in producing tv that is actually diverse particularly in experience or opinion instead of continuing to push a middle class bastion of privilege. And seeing those outside of that safe, limited bubble in very stereotypical, limited ways reflecting absolute lack of any real knowledge or experience.

I have lost patience with such people who use their platform not to actually unpick or discuss views different to them, but use words as Coleman does such as 'naysayers, meanies and haters', in such playground immature terms that really do reinforce they have absolutely no idea of what they are talking about. The women affected are not ones they would meet or invite to dinner parties, they are not exciting friends that reflect coolness, they are not wealthy or powerful in ways that further careers. And hence are invisible, and Coleman has today actively and intentionally helped along the public view that these women - that she knows nothing about and has no understanding of - don't matter, are beneath contempt and notice, and that their rights and access and equality can be justifiably overturned. I am disgusted by that irresponsibility and harm.

Coleman could do with using a few Big Girl words herself, and a serious think before she tries to sell herself as super cool and progressive. She has not come out of this well at all. I would not wish that her eyes might be opened by bitter experience, I would not wish that on anyone, but she could do with being aware that she like every other woman lives with that daily risk.

Sure, and I can call it out for what it is, hate. Disagreement on its own is not hate. Posters on this thread have insulted OC personally in many ways including her appearance. That is hateful.

What do you actually mean by 'hate' and 'hateful'?

Let's have a definition. Try using some words rather than Reddit labels.

Like Olivia, I recently described myself to my husband as a gay man.

However, being uncool, unlike Oliva's husband he did not reply, "Ok, I get that."

Instead, he packed his bag and left.

I don't know...maybe he is an old bigot or maybe it had something to do with the 10" dildo I had just purchased and left by the side of the bed.

Please show the “staggering hate” on this thread. I saw one post where someone mentioned her overbite but I still don’t think that’s hate. We are also allowed to call out her nonsense for what it is without being accused of being hateful.

Weird how pushback against the insidious hate for women that actually underpins enforced social rules/roles in the context of gender and manifests as waffle that reinforces stereotypes is the problem and not the insidious hate for women that actually underpins enforced social rules/roles in the context of gender and manifests as waffle that reinforces stereotypes itself.

Or not weird, since it's so insidious people don't even recognise that's what they're doing.

This ⬆️. It sounds very much as if OC has privilege the rest of us don't have.

Oh ffs. You lot have spent years accusing people (women) of hate for asserting factual reality, not wanting to be reduced to a list of regressive performative stereotypes and not wanting to be sidelined, sacked, beaten up, cheated in sports, gaslit or silenced when they speak dissent. How has that been working out for you? And why is expecting women to put up and shut up not itself an extreme form of woman hate?

At any rate, it's never been hateful to laugh at a luvvie for being a plonker. Private Eye has had a section dedicated to it for decades and never got accused of staggering hate. Do me a lemon.

Having reread OC's statement I'm now more interested in what 'staunchly' heterosexual means? Any ideas?

Protesting too much?

Anyway- there is nothing wrong with being fluid in sexual attraction. Imposing it on disinterested other people in any format is on the nose however.

[sits on hands to not make links with fetishes and auto gynophilia as i know that is not what OC meant]

Oh, so you are a "hate the racism, love the racist" type?

I can respect that.

i have to admit that level.of nuance is ... unusual in the people who get their warm fuzzies accusing others of hate. Brava.

It'll probably appear in Pseuds' Corner, quite rightly so! That's not hate, btw.

Who has insulted her appearance?

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension?

About being straight? Who does that?