Brilliant article on Epstein by Helen Rumbelow in the Times TW Distressing content

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I studied the latest Epstein files. As a woman, this is what I felt

www.thetimes.com/article/3c43b881-0f36-43bf-a32b-66fcba2b44ac?shareToken=b062e64ca800a9fb4a31da2ea933ee14

Well-written and deeply depressing. I can't believe this is the world we live in. They really can't conceive of us as people, can they?

Disturbing indeed. I wonder how much this plays into the incel sense of grievance- they're the men who would love to be in this privileged group but feel shut out. Could go off men really.

It's a devastating read. Just look at how many men are implicated and use a discourse of porn soaked, predatory disrespect for girls and women.

Archive link:

https://archive.ph/iVNUB

Vile. Absolutely vile.

I have no words.

Thank you for posting OP. I read this article earlier and was considering a thread but was struggling to find some words to convey what I felt on reading it. The grotesque misogyny demonstrated by this very powerful cabal of men is frightening. It has corrupted political structures and governments in many countries. The tentacles of this hatred of women are deeply embedded in many facets of day to day life in the UK.

Vile, disturbing and distressing.
Powerful, so called intelligent and influential men!!!!
Women and girls just viewed as "parts"
Horrible though it is, it needs exposure
Absolutely disgusting

However bad we think it was, it was probably worse. As women we can't even imagine how disgusting these men are. And it's not like these men were vulnerable or had any mitigating circumstances. These are some of the most privileged and powerful men in the world.

Not meaning to derail but this does gives clues as to why it's been so easy for the trans lobby to so swiftly undo decades of safeguarding children along with the rights of women to undress / have privacy away from the male gaze. It's often asked how this miniscule group in the population managed to unravel the social contract so swiftly and with so little resistance from the establishment?

Well, if so many powerful men have these attitudes to women and girls, then the trans lobby were preaching to the converted so to speak. While we assumed that safeguarding children and women's rights to safety and privacy were enshrined in our laws and institutions, those at the very top were evidently just paying lip service to these principles. When an opportunity came along to dismantle these safeguarding principles, so many powerful politicians, lawyers, civil servants, medics, educators etc jumped at the chance as it suited their demands. We always wonder how those infamous "deals done behind closed doors" revealed in the Denton report actually got through?

The Epstein files are revealing how.

I saw this too and was hoping others would want to discuss. It’s really really clear how totally normalised and ignored all this abuse was, and the contempt and disgust with which older and wiser women who stood up to them were regarded stood out for me too.

It’s pretty clear that one of those comments was directed at Melinda Gates.

If it was this prevalent - and I’m sure this is tip of the iceberg stuff - then I want to know who knew and did and said nothing? All these powerful men (yes I know, some women, but 99% powerful men) had advisers, lawyers, spin doctors, bankers, accountants, drivers, cooks, pilots etc etc. It reminds me of Berlusconi and his ‘bunga bunga’ parties in the 2000s.

Helen Rumbelow has written such an important piece here and it really put my finger on how this whole Epstein saga is exposing a rotten, misogynistic and corrupt underbelly of rich society.

I read this earlier too. It really confirms your worst belief about men, which is that a lot of them absolutely hate women.

It's the mundanity of the language that strikes me. Talking about what to choose for lunch in the same sentence as total derogatory and objectifying language about the young women there. I'd say it's cognitively dissonant to women but also men like me who don't think this way. But for those men, lunch choices and choosing young women are effectively the same thing.

Absolutely agree with this. Not just safeguarding and gender ideology, but the half hearted actions to deal with VAWG, poorer general health outcomes for women in the NHS, scandalously bad midwifery services over many years....!

I could go on but you get the picture.

The question is not why so many men would be happy to seamlessly transfer between Gisèle Pelicot, Epstein Island, trans ideology grooming modes of abuse, but why women on the left especially, can slate the men in the first two categories, yet usher them in the third, giving those men third wave feminist and social justice cover for their peccadillos?

None of this surprises me, I'm glad it's out in the open.

I agree. The similarity in language struck me as well. The girls were just body parts to these men. Cruder words but very reminiscent of the way gender ideologues erased the word woman and introduced terms such as "vulva people", even supposedly reputable peer reviewed journals such as the Lancet referring to us as people with vaginas. "Pussy", "vulva owner", different words same hatred directed at us and desire to dehumanise us. We are just body parts to an unknown but depressingly large percentage of men.

Given the opportunity men will readily use women as a resources to be exploited, as possessions to be traded with other men in order to gain status or favor.
They bond with each other as they enjoy denigrating and dehumanising women in order to elevate their own status.

Yes, very grim.......but really we all know this sort of attitude for ourselves, even if it retains the power to shock us anew each time. It really does bring Germaine Greer's words to life for real.

The male pack mentality certainly brings out the worst of men.

Re the TRAs: Gays Against Groomers pulled this particular email out. It is particularly stomach churning:

nitter.net/againstgrmrs/status/2018407779216568385#m

And yet the Times files this article under "Life and Style->Celebrity"....

Yes, this is the critical question. It is certainly a conscious act of great cognitive dissonance - understanding full well the ways in which females are vulnerable to males, but then denying this reality when it comes to trans ideology/gender identity theory.

I've tended to think it arises from a vision of women's liberation which wants to see women as being the same as men, being 'equal' ,and therefore being free to do and behave as men do. Being free of female vulnerabilities. Women's 'prissiness' about sex or over-modesty about nudity and their bodies is seen as something to be liberated from. 'Sex work' is just women taking ownership of their sexuality and their body and doing what they choose with it,

Wow! It all really does come down to what the penis desires, doesn't it?

And we already know many prominent male trans activists have spoken of how porn made them trans.

The nexus where neo liberalism, libertarianism, trans ideology, trans humanism, post modernism all meet in the middle, and men in charge of the damn lot.
No wonder TS porn is the fastest growing category on Pornhub.

A hard read.

Thank you for the link.