Brilliant article on Epstein by Helen Rumbelow in the Times TW Distressing content

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I studied the latest Epstein files. As a woman, this is what I felt

www.thetimes.com/article/3c43b881-0f36-43bf-a32b-66fcba2b44ac?shareToken=b062e64ca800a9fb4a31da2ea933ee14

How is it that the only person who has been found guilty of abuse in this scandal, is a woman and she is serving 20 years in prison while the rapists run the world.

Equally why was Hillary Clinton the first person called to give her testimony when she doesn’t appear in the Epstein files?

It's almost as if none of them give a fuck about women at all. They're laughing at us.

https://archive.ph/sjw0x

This is a grimly fascinating piece on how he lied his way up the social hierarchy. The various instances of 'he lied but because he wanted to get on and we shouldn't block his progress because of that' reminds me of all those court cases where it's been deemed unfair to ruin a bright young man's career because he couldn't stop himself raping some young woman. Also, the way that the more successful you become, even if it's built on lies, other men will prop you up and protect you for their own social advantage.

Did anyone else see Brendan O’Neill weeping big fat tears for poor, “hounded” Andrew Windsor in The Spectator recently? (Brendan, mate - pipe down, nothing’s actually happened to Andy yet, let alone gone “too far!”)

https://spectator.com/article/the-hunting-of-andrew-mountbatten-windsor-has-gone-too-far/

Unherds been sidling up to the "it's all going to far and turning into a witchhunt” angle recently as well. They are owned by the same guy so I wonder if it's an editorial line or just different people thinking alike. (Not suggesting any wrongdoing on Marshal's part. But I can see how an older male pro-establishment hedgefund manager might have more natural sympathy for the people caught up in it than someone who isnt part of that in group).

And I do agree that mob justice isn't what is needed. Actual justice is, and that would involve the investigation and arrest of people suspected of wrongdoing. Which is finally happening. If it had happened sooner and if it was happening in America there would likely be less conspiracy theorising and public anger.

Give a man even a skerrick of power and it seems as though, 9 times out of 10, he'll start raping women and girls (with his mates).

Frankly, I've no faith at all left in men as a demographic, and no respect for them either. As they say, one bad apple spoils the bunch, and it seems as though the good to bad apple ratio for men is closer to even when given the chance.

I've also got no hope that the men involved in these files will see any kind of real consequences. They have too much power and influence. As Yoko Ono said, 'woman is the n--r of the world', and as Germaine Greer said, 'women have very little idea of how much men hate them'.

Can't diagree with that at all. On the good to bad apple ratio, I think most men (and a lot of women) start from the POV that 'most men are OK, of course there's some arseholes, but all my mates are OK...' But now, with the evidence of our own eyes, Pelicot, Epstein, rape gangs and their apologists, and, not least, regular reading of MN, the ratio starts to drop sharply. Maybe even a half is generous. Was it always worse than I thought? Yes. Is it getting worse recently, again, almost certainly yes. And the whole power aspect, the super-rich who aren't used to hearing No.

I would really like to know what all the "secret" phrases the paedophiles used for kids mean. Yeah, we´re talking 12 year olds. Trump alledegly made a 12 or 13 year old give him a blowjob (sorry for my language but I dont give a fuck anymore, I´m a survivor too I guess, but not of this cabal obviously).

If someone could suppress their gag reflex long enough to do this kind of research, I think knowledge of these terms could be really useful in finding other paedo networks online via AI. Humanity would own you big time. Also identify all of the rat catchers (the women tasked with finding new victims, who were former victims themselves in some cases)

I know "grape juice" in the Epstein files has something to do with "gang rape = grape" (hahahha, god they are just so edgy arent they, these 50 year old, decaying mummy eternal nerd boys). "Pizza" has something to do with female childrens genitals, and "hot dogs" with boy´s. These are not conspiracy theories. Someone really needs to investigate their dumb-dumb language.

There is a deeply entrenched paedo network in my country too, which allegedly includes doctors, lawyers, military cunts, child psychologists, politicians, the higher uppers so to speak. They have disappeared people in the early 2000s, and their network includes owners of funeral crematorias. This never made as much waves as the Marc Dutroux case, for instace, but still enough to make some people talk about it to this day. Shame it got zero international coverage and litlle to no coverage in my country, too. The detective who was supposed to investiage a famous case (a global scandal at the time) was found shot by suicide in his garden, with his right hand scorched and holding the weapon (he was left handed), for instance. This is central Europe, right now.

I´m often wondering if like 90 % of males are secretly paedos. It´s really the only explanation, if you keep Occams razor in mind. Because otherwise, these cases would be solved and Epstein would never have risen to the top of society.

The share token doesn't work for me. Did anyone archive this please?

A pp added the archive link on the first page - here it is again 🙂archive.ph/iVNUB

Brenda, it hasn’t gone far enough. Why do you care about this particular lying paedophile?

This is a very sobering thread but really important - let’s keep it going.

Yes. Thank you for spelling this out.

Brendan is a contrarian in both good and bad ways.

I've thought this about him for ages and so, in recent years, it has been quite a surprise to me to discover that I've enjoyed some of his excellent articles on social issues, e.g. his strong support for women and girls.

But I can still disagree with him on other topics.

From the article letsallchant linked:
" Epstein was introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of the British media baron Robert Maxwell. Their first get-together, arranged by a mutual friend, was at Epstein’s office at the Villard Houses, she has said. When the domineering Robert Maxwell learned that his daughter was spending time with Epstein, he contacted Ace Greenberg and Jimmy Cayne, both of whom he was close to, to see what they knew about their former Bear Stearns employee. Greenberg and Cayne apparently vouched for Epstein."

Ace Greenberg was at the start of the timeline- at the start of Epstein's ascent. His daughter dated Epstein for a while and according to the article she said he "lied about everything". Either she didn't tell her father what he was like, or she did and he ignored her or just didn't care.

I also agree with Flirtswithrhinos post, every word of it. The whole thing reminds me a bit of this:

I think, and this is not a unique failing of Brendan Op Neíll or even any one political position, that O neills support for women and girls is probably more dependent on the surrounding circumstances than he wants to admit or even realisés himself

Especially when it seems his support for women and girls was just part of being contrarian-in-the-moment. Which, if you’ve been following O’Neill for years, is no real surprise.

Although one difference being that, in that clip, Cunningham does actually know Betty's name. I bet Epstein and his pals forgot most of the names of the girls and women they exploited. Just interchangeable, instantly forgettable "P" to them.

From reading a lot of his writing over the years, I like to think I can spot his contrarian articles, vs his sincerely held beliefs articles, and I get the strong impression that he is a true supporter of women and girls. I've also seen him interviewed about the subject on various podcasts and it does seem to bring out a different side of him than when he discusses other topics. When he started learning more about AGP he was visibly disgusted and outraged at the thoughts and behaviours of these men.

I agree. I think he’s got it wrong about Andrew and Epstein but it’s clear that his main distaste here is the social media frenzy, and mob justice. Rightly or wrongly. He wrote another article recently calling out right wing commentators for their lack of compassion for Renee Good. I think he’s quite true to his principles generally.

His Renee Good article was spot on. I've not read much about the Andrew formerly known as Prince or Epstein (I'm managing my expectations) I hope he get what he deserves but that includes proper justice. If Brendan is speaking out against the language of the mob I'd likely agree with him.

I find this chilling because it’s so impersonal. These fuckers see all women and girls (except their daughters and mothers) in terms of their sexual usefulness to them and the other men they associate with. They were involved with Epstein primarily because they were rich and/or powerful, not because they were perverts. It’s impossible not to believe that millions of ‘ordinary’ men would have joined gladly, had they had the opportunity.

We will agree to disagree, clearly. I don’t trust him, especially knowing how keen he is to shock and outrage for the sake of it.