Brilliant article on Epstein by Helen Rumbelow in the Times TW Distressing content

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I studied the latest Epstein files. As a woman, this is what I felt

www.thetimes.com/article/3c43b881-0f36-43bf-a32b-66fcba2b44ac?shareToken=b062e64ca800a9fb4a31da2ea933ee14

That was my overriding thought when reading it. This is just the surface. Horrific. And they’re not unusual, they’re just very wealthy and have been found out. At least a half % of what they’ve done has been found out. Funny he committed suicide.

The FBI and police need to do their job
@MrsTerryPratchett there will be people at the top of these organizations who are involved.
Rule number one: anyone who has the power to bring you down needs to be compromised such that they wont go against you.

Absolutely. But there will be women who can whistle blow. And they should. Maybe JKR or Oprah can have a Fuck You Fund for people who whistle blow.

I felt the same.

The was a poster on MN yesterday bemoaning her 19yo daughter hating men. I hope she reads this thread.

You don't have to hate men to be aware of some of the toxic aspects of masculinity, especially when men get together.

Agree. But the more of this stuff one sees, the harder it is not to hate them.

It's why I, a second wave feminist, have precious little time for some/many? third wave, usually left-leaning feminists - or victim feminists - as I prefer to think of them. They are shameful in the way they cry wolf over the tiniest of offences, easily dealt with by a metaphorical slap, yet doormats when it comes to the big stuff: totally unable to stand up and tell these odious misogynists and the TRAs to fuck off. However, I was pleased that Helen quoted one woman in the Times article who did lay it on the line to Epstein.

We seriously need some tough education for these particular third-wavers to jolt them out of their naivety and give them the tools to stop their pandering to both the social justice warriors and misogynists. They wouldn't last half an hour with most women of my generation. I hate to see the equal ops we fought for and largely attained being trashed.

I'm old, so I don't expect much agreement to my point of view. I shall probably be accused of victim blaming, but in truth some third wavers are setting themselves up as victims, so me 'victim blaming' is superfluous; they are doing it to themselves.

Glad you’ve started this thread op. Vacillate between wanting to cry and a huge rage. Two dds same ages as the targets. If any wealthy middle aged man so much as looks at them I might kill him.

The men need to leave they cannot be trusted with power. Taylor Swift for president. Not joking.

I think I'd rather teen DD started 'hating' and tentatively moved into liking some, than the converse. She has a great dad and (gay) male friend who she loves. All other men are treated on a range from utter contempt and dislike to healthy scepticism.

And it wasn't me that taught her that. It was the boys at her various schools.

So many women involved in leftist and revolutionary movements are happy to put solidarity and the success of the movement above their own self-interest, confident that in the new regime their loyalty will be rewarded.

But we've seen throughout history, women playing a large part in a revolutionary or leftist political change and then, once the men are in power, the women in the movement are got rid of as no longer necessary - this happened in my own country Ireland where women campaigned for equal rights after independence from Britain and their support was gratefully accepted (even during the armed struggle) until after independence when they were completely shafted by the men who gained power in the new state and created very repressive legislation with regards women.

So many women allow idealism to get in the way of sensible self-interest 🤔

Absolutely sickening.

Dd and her friends are currently whistleblowing the behavior of a group of boys at school.

Quite a few boys have now come forward giving witness statements in support of the girls. So many mums are doing a great job with their sons.

Agree with this very much.

Profound misogyny underpins it all.

The most devastating thing about the Epstein files is that absolutely nothing will happen as a result, thus confirming their assumption of impunity. And then it will get even worse.

Nowadays I just assume that every rich, powerful man is dodgy as fuck

None of these disgusting men are trans or part of a trans lobby.

nitter.net/againstgrmrs/status/2018407779216568385#m

https://www.advocate.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jess-ting-responds

Surgeon Jess Ting was a big pal of Epstein and is a proponent of trans surgery for minors - he changed specialisations within his plastic surgery practice to concentrate on genital 'reassignment' surgery. Even TRA-friendly media are covering the story.

https://theneedlenews.com/jess-ting-prolific-vaginoplasty-surgeon-performed-plastic-surgery-for-jeffrey-epsteins-girls-brought-young-children-to-epsteins-island/

Edited: spelling

They're not just evil, they're ghouls.

That's a shame! I personally find that very sad. Isn't it simply a case of blind prejudice when you treat everyone from a particular group on the basis of an automatic negative perception, without even having encountered or known them?

Generalised tendencies with certain groups can be acknowledged without hating on everyone from that group, surely? i cannot believe there were no nice boys at school at all?

Would it not be healthier to disapprove of and/or 'hate' certain characteristics, rather than just men, generally, as a discrete group of human beings?

I actually think it is more important what example fathers model for their sons.

There are other nice boys and men. One of her teachers, a couple of older boys in one of her classes who BTW treat the younger misogynist boys with contempt as well. Her piano teacher (also gay). They get healthy scepticism. Fine by me. A lot of Nice Guys turn out to be anything but. It's not 'blind' prejudice when in every country, in almost every time period, the most dangerous person to a woman is a man she knows.and trusts.

We have 2 sweet, non-bitey animals at home. But a lot of animals bite so I'm fine with most people being reticent and some refusing to interact. Boys and men are a clear and present danger to teenage girls. And boys at school talk about porn, they are often mean, patronising or sexist to the girls. Why should DD skip about giving every new boy or man the benefit of the doubt? What's in it for her? There is a cost, there's almost no benefit.