is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

This suicide thing is getting on my nerves, there are other cohorts of male prisoners at increased risk of suicide ffs.

From Nick Wallis

GM .. I raise a TM because AO's challenge only covers one part. What can we do about TMs? We can't ignore them as my friend's submission does..

We must surely acknowledge the irony of TMs - trans identifying women, but women nonetheless - being prayed in aid to support the aims of trans identifying men - men.

Even in trans-world, women are relegated to the roles of levers to enforce men's desires.

As the judge pointed out, all prisoners are at increased risk of suicide.

He is actually using threats of suicide to influence the court's decision...

Can someone advise him to call 999?

It’s disgusting isn’t it? Absolutely shameful.

State-sanctioned coercive control. Scotgov should be prosecuted for domestic abuse against the population.

There was a rumour women could sue Ministers individually.

Yep

'If any of these trans prisoners kill themselves because you don't do what we say, it'll be on your head m'lady...'

This is my fantasy 😂
I want to take Swinney down.

"But but but" - yes indeed, my lady.

kill someone to protect someone else's rights

What is he on?

LR is struggling with his arguments

Judge: 'the risk of suicide is becoming a complete showstopper'... '... it cant be that you stop doing article 8 just because of potential for article 2 breach"

Glad judge pulled him up on that, its absurd.

He's finished pounding the law and has moved on to pounding the table.

He sounds like one of the more unhinged, ridiculous TRAs. This ideology beclowns all who defend it.

As a domestic abuse survivor, I want to intervene. This manipulation-by-suicide-threat is the same bullshit my ex used on me to stop me leaving him and to make me feel guilty even though I'd done nothing wrong. I did leave in the end, and guess what? He's not dead!

.. perhaps I will retreat from that position ...

Probably best

i'm just about managing to keep up with TT on nitter, is he about to disappear up his own arse?

Same here.

He's saying parliament hadnt considered the risk of suicide.