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Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

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Theboredpanda · 20/01/2026 11:04

I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

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Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:07

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:03

'Safeguarding' is an actual thing and safeguarding measures are employed in all sorts of situations. When you safeguard something you protect it from known or likely threats and risks of harm. You cannot absolutely guarantee anything but you take reasonable and practical measures to mitigate potential harms.

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There are literally no measures for public toilets. It's an open door. Half the time people don't even use them.

And why is there no concern over younger boys being allowed in the men's room? We know sexual activity can happen in the men's toilets, including cruising, voyerism, even people being recorded without consent.

Greyskybluesky · 25/01/2026 19:07

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:05

pfffff

😂

spannasaurus · 25/01/2026 19:09

There are literally no measures for public toilets. It's an open door. Half the time people don't even use them.

Depends on what toilets you're using

Maybe men dont shut the doors but most women do.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/01/2026 19:09

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And you're just an immature insulting fuckwit but we all have our cross to bear

If someone believes the law to be wrong then the intelligent thing to do is campaign to change it. You have heard of the laws that abolished slavery I take it? Or did you think the abolition of slavery just spontaneously happened??

if TRA and MRA like yourself don't agree with the law then campaign to change it

however I suspect a law that says "if your mother with dementia requests a female carer she can get a man if he says he's a woman" is the vote winner you think it is

KittyWilkinson · 25/01/2026 19:11

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Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:11

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:01

The recent Supreme Court judgement found that a man who knowingly enters into a female only facility is making himself liable for charges of sexual harassment -just by being there, knowing it is designated for women only.

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That appears to be untrue. But even if it were, it would be dumb.

Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?
Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?
Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:12

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You'll have to pinpoint where I said anything about AGP.

KittyWilkinson · 25/01/2026 19:13

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:12

You'll have to pinpoint where I said anything about AGP.

No I won't. Hth.

Greyskybluesky · 25/01/2026 19:15

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:12

You'll have to pinpoint where I said anything about AGP.

You're on an AGP thread arguing in favour of no boundaries for males. Readers draw their own conclusions.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:15

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:07

There are literally no measures for public toilets. It's an open door. Half the time people don't even use them.

And why is there no concern over younger boys being allowed in the men's room? We know sexual activity can happen in the men's toilets, including cruising, voyerism, even people being recorded without consent.

There is concern which is why boys under the age of 8 are able to go into the women's toilets with their mother or other female relative or carer.

So you are aware that some men use public toilets for sexual encounters and opportunities including for voyeurtistic reasons.

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:16

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:11

That appears to be untrue. But even if it were, it would be dumb.

That is absolutely true. I take it you haven't read the ruling? If a man enters knowingly into a desisgnated women only space he could potentially be accused of sexual harassment. A woman has every right to expect that a female only facility is just that.

  • Definition of Harassment: Under the Equality Act 2010, sexual harassment is defined as unwanted conduct of a sexual nature—or related to the protected characteristic of sex—that violates a person's dignity or creates a hostile or intimidating environment.
  • Creating a Hostile Environment: If a man enters a women-only space and his presence causes distress or violates the privacy of the users, this can be classified as harassment.
  • Legal Precedent: A January 2026 employment tribunal ruling found that allowing a biological male (including a trans woman) into a women’s changing room created a "hostile, humiliating, and degrading environment" for the female users, violating their dignity.
  • Legal Action: Victims can report this to the police,, which may lead to charges, or initiate civil action against the person or the service provider for failing to maintain a single-sex space.
Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:18

Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/01/2026 19:09

And you're just an immature insulting fuckwit but we all have our cross to bear

If someone believes the law to be wrong then the intelligent thing to do is campaign to change it. You have heard of the laws that abolished slavery I take it? Or did you think the abolition of slavery just spontaneously happened??

if TRA and MRA like yourself don't agree with the law then campaign to change it

however I suspect a law that says "if your mother with dementia requests a female carer she can get a man if he says he's a woman" is the vote winner you think it is

I'm not either of the things you labelled me as. But it's interesting to be labbelled and MRA for stating that men who wear dresses shouldn't be accused of being pedo's just for how they dress. Last I checked, MRA's are often very mocking toward feminine men.

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:19

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:18

I'm not either of the things you labelled me as. But it's interesting to be labbelled and MRA for stating that men who wear dresses shouldn't be accused of being pedo's just for how they dress. Last I checked, MRA's are often very mocking toward feminine men.

Would you justify a woman being convicted of murder for the killing of her unborn baby, if abortion is illegal there?

Hoardasurass · 25/01/2026 19:20

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 17:30

Consent isn't required to be in the same room. You're argument boils down to authoritarian technicalities "WeLl, It sAyS WoMAn oN tHe DoOR". With no mind as to whether or not it's actually wrong. Laws do not factually dictate right or wrong. Appeals to the law don't give you credit.

Tell me what other laws do you feel are just "authoritarian technicalities"?

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:20

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:18

I'm not either of the things you labelled me as. But it's interesting to be labbelled and MRA for stating that men who wear dresses shouldn't be accused of being pedo's just for how they dress. Last I checked, MRA's are often very mocking toward feminine men.

What constitutes 'a feminine man' in your judgement?

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:22

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:19

Would you justify a woman being convicted of murder for the killing of her unborn baby, if abortion is illegal there?

I think most people regrdless of them being suppotive of a woman's right to choose think that late term abortions are wrong.....which is why most countries have restricted time limits.

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:24

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:16

That is absolutely true. I take it you haven't read the ruling? If a man enters knowingly into a desisgnated women only space he could potentially be accused of sexual harassment. A woman has every right to expect that a female only facility is just that.

  • Definition of Harassment: Under the Equality Act 2010, sexual harassment is defined as unwanted conduct of a sexual nature—or related to the protected characteristic of sex—that violates a person's dignity or creates a hostile or intimidating environment.
  • Creating a Hostile Environment: If a man enters a women-only space and his presence causes distress or violates the privacy of the users, this can be classified as harassment.
  • Legal Precedent: A January 2026 employment tribunal ruling found that allowing a biological male (including a trans woman) into a women’s changing room created a "hostile, humiliating, and degrading environment" for the female users, violating their dignity.
  • Legal Action: Victims can report this to the police,, which may lead to charges, or initiate civil action against the person or the service provider for failing to maintain a single-sex space.
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If a man goes in and out of the toilet, and doesn;t loiter or cause a scene, then I doubt it would amount to much, even if this were true. Most people likely wouldn't care. Even more so if the toilet isn't busy.

I can see you're the type of person who wants to loosen what it actually means to be a predator though. A bit like the people who say staring at people should be considered a minor crime.

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:25

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:22

I think most people regrdless of them being suppotive of a woman's right to choose think that late term abortions are wrong.....which is why most countries have restricted time limits.

It's wrong at the legal times too. And in some cases bigoted.

Helleofabore · 25/01/2026 19:28

Datun · 25/01/2026 17:50

I'm loving this. So you can't appeal to the law, you can't appeal to the massive majority of women, or men.

I'm wondering what it is you can appeal to...

.. I'm guessing fuck all

edited to add, no, I've got it, it's Sky's mum

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I reckon that is an awesome appeal to authority there.

And something we have seen done by a male poster rather recently on MN FWR.

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:28

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:20

What constitutes 'a feminine man' in your judgement?

As far as bigoted people go, it can be anything from a typically 'feminine' personality to things like dress sense.

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:31

Hoardasurass · 25/01/2026 19:20

Tell me what other laws do you feel are just "authoritarian technicalities"?

Accusing an alleged trans woman of being a predator and wanting him fired for mentioning a bra fitting service to a 14 year old and her mother, which was wrongly referred to as a "man offering to change a girl's bra". Some people seem to think that just falsely accusing people of things is okay.

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:40

Shortshriftandlethal · 25/01/2026 19:16

That is absolutely true. I take it you haven't read the ruling? If a man enters knowingly into a desisgnated women only space he could potentially be accused of sexual harassment. A woman has every right to expect that a female only facility is just that.

  • Definition of Harassment: Under the Equality Act 2010, sexual harassment is defined as unwanted conduct of a sexual nature—or related to the protected characteristic of sex—that violates a person's dignity or creates a hostile or intimidating environment.
  • Creating a Hostile Environment: If a man enters a women-only space and his presence causes distress or violates the privacy of the users, this can be classified as harassment.
  • Legal Precedent: A January 2026 employment tribunal ruling found that allowing a biological male (including a trans woman) into a women’s changing room created a "hostile, humiliating, and degrading environment" for the female users, violating their dignity.
  • Legal Action: Victims can report this to the police,, which may lead to charges, or initiate civil action against the person or the service provider for failing to maintain a single-sex space.
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So you'd accuse this person of being a predator? He's a trans man, but how you know if you saw him leaving or entering the women's room?

Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?
MarieDeGournay · 25/01/2026 19:40

What is 'an alleged trans woman?' Could you indicate the source of this alleged incident as your re-telling of it is very unclear?

And could also please show the source of your post at
Skywinn · Today 19:11?
I think you may have quoted from it before, the Q&A format looks familiar.

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 19:43

MarieDeGournay · 25/01/2026 19:40

What is 'an alleged trans woman?' Could you indicate the source of this alleged incident as your re-telling of it is very unclear?

And could also please show the source of your post at
Skywinn · Today 19:11?
I think you may have quoted from it before, the Q&A format looks familiar.

From last year.

Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?
Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?
KittyWilkinson · 25/01/2026 19:46

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