Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

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I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

I have to ask - why do you think this? Most trans identified men are neither autistic nor gay. The largest cohort of them appears to be autogynophile men who have had no surgery done or only had breast implants
If you are talking about the cohort of kids who are being transed. Most of them turn out to be gay or autistic yes, but they aren't bloody trans at all.

Gotta be better than appealing to your mum's opinion though.

If you read closely you will see that Seethlaw didn't mention safe spaces but single sex spaces. As is correct.

You exhibit Starmer levels of confusion.

The law doesn't say a man is a predator for being in the women's room. There's no conviction a man will face unless he actually does something wrong. Breaking the law does not = convicted of rape/assault. Duh

You neglected to answer my question about abortion, given your ridded and technical language: Do you view women and doctors as killers of unborn babies if it happens in a country where it's unlawful/illegal? Do you judge them just as harshly purely based on the legal status? Or do you make an exception because it's something you might be biased about? Just wondering how much you actually believe what you're saying.

Quote from your post -

'Make you look a bit special'

Eeesh.

He actually did use the word safe space elsewhere, and I stand by sentiment that generalizing people as bad based on characteristic is bad.

He also claimed no one is trying to take rights from trans people away, despite some gender critical people saying that taking hormones or getting surgery should be reduced/banned, even for adults. That's usually part of the "trans people are poor, groomed autistic people" narrative, rather than the "men who call themselves women are predators". It flips back and fourth between condescending concern trolling and demonising pretty quicky depending on the day.

Who was that poster on here who once said "I can explain it to you but I cannot understand it for you"

I am always reminded of that on these occasions.

Maybe you're politically correct? I'm not

No, my mum is actually wiser than most people. Thanks

What a demented question. It’s like saying women are lesbians or men are gay because they masturbate. OP please learn what AGP actually is.

We have single sex toilets ( we don't call them 'restrooms' in the U.K) for the reasons of privacy and dignity, and also for basic safeguarding reasons.

We have thousands of years of experience of the differences betwen the sexes and some of the issues that can arise in certain types of circumstance. Toilets and changing rooms are concerned with physical and biological function, and/or being in a state of undress which can indicate vulnerability, certainly for females - for obvious reasons - when in public places amongst strangers.

It is not just about physical attack, but about the potential for voyeurism and other inappropriate and sexualised motives - of the sort that are far more common in males than in females.

Because many gender critical people have claimed many of them are gay and autistic, without specifying age. Which is what they use to defend wanting to 'reduce' access to hormones or surgery, even for adults.

"but they aren't bloody trans at all."
I thought there was no such thing as trans for anyone?

Show your workings please

That was me (buffs shirt proudly).

I don;t agree with people calling it safeguarding because you can't safeguard an open door, rapists can already go in there. Strangely, they don't though.

The recent Supreme Court judgement found that a man who knowingly enters into a female only facility is making himself liable for charges of sexual harassment -just by being there, knowing it is designated for women only.

You don't agree with safeguarding? Di you even know what it means?

Thankyou!!

It sums up these conversations perfectly.

'Safeguarding' is an actual thing and safeguarding measures are employed in all sorts of situations. When you safeguard something you protect it from known or likely threats and risks of harm. You cannot absolutely guarantee anything but you take reasonable and practical measures to mitigate potential harms.

Now that's offensive, pal. Its clear you don't have much life experience, but you are precocious in mansplaining already.

pfffff

It's good that you respect your mum. It is very rude, and pretty daft, to try to tell women much older than you about their life experience.

Then transwomen can use the gents, since the sex of the toilet doesn't matter, and leave women who want some privacy in peace. Sorted.

Did I just read someone arguing that objecting to male transwomen in womens facilities means you can't be pro choice in countries where safe abortion is illegal?

Both are for the safety of women btw.