Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

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I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

That would at least be logical.

There's niche, and there's upside down porn summoned by the FCO.

The amount of people supporting something don't justify it or decide right or wrong. Appeal to popularity.

Yay! 🎉Something we can all agree on:
It's factually wrong to say that someone is a predator because they go against a law.
Absolutely agree! If somebody breaks the law by nicking a Mars bar from the corner shop, that makes them a shoplifter, but that does not make him a predator.
No argument there at all.
Can we all go and have our tea now that we are As One on something?

Dunno, I make a pretty robust lentil soup that could probably hold it's own.

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You're right. Which is why we don't care how many people think like you, or how many women don't have a problem with transwomen in women's single sex spaces. Because it doesn't matter. What matters is that female single-sex spaces exist, that men know that, and that it says a whole lot of bad things when a man chooses to enter such a space anyway.

@Skywinn most women don't want men in single sex spaces not matter what your mum says 😂

And again you are weaponising female people with transgender identities to attempt to convince others that female people should not expect that their female single sex provisions are female single sex.

The fact that you have been told by a trans man how they and others interact with female people in such situations shows your willingness to talk over the top of any female person who disagrees with you.

Has it got bits in it?

I'm loving this. So you can't appeal to the law, you can't appeal to the massive majority of women, or men.

I'm wondering what it is you can appeal to...

.. I'm guessing fuck all

edited to add, no, I've got it, it's Sky's mum

I don't judge people based on social expectations. You can, that's on you. And trans people are typically not expected to not use the opposite toilets. They were doing it for decades without it being treated like a serious issue.

Nah, I zoom it.

I’ve literally never been turned on by myself.

No it say that they are 5× more likely to commit a sex offences than any other type of male.
The figures came from the ministry of justice and the office of national statistics.
Its a fact that men who identify as trans are more likely to be a sex offender than any other group of people, pointing out that fact and saying that because of that we must insist that all men especially those who identify as trans are kept out of women's single sex facilities and thats not demonising anyone. Its safeguarding 101, you identify the threat and take reasonable precautions to prevent it.

Neither law nor popularity decide right or wrong. That's a fact.

Or your mum

That was sort of sweet tbh. But Skywinn needs to put down the Ladybird Book Of Fallacies and listen to women when they say no. Men can't use women's spaces because their mum said they could.

It was a serious issue, and it was unlawful. It still is.

Hence all the women taking it to the Supreme Court. They're not doing it for no reason ya know.

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This is a rather telling post.

Thanks for the clarification.

It's hilarious, isn't it. Sky's mum is the arbiter. Not the law, not all the women, not the morality, the statistics, the experience.

Sky's mum.

I'm guessing that truly is an appeal to authority!!

I don't judge people based on social expectations. You can, that's on you.

You say it like it's a bad thing, but I've found that being careful around people who knowingly break social contracts is the prudent thing to do.

And trans people are typically not expected to not use the opposite toilets. They were doing it for decades without it being treated like a serious issue.

True. But then, for decades, trans people were trying their damndest to not be pests and to not bother women in their spaces. Now those times are gone in the UK, and consequently new social contracts have to be put into place. It's not women who triggered that change; it's trans people. FAFO. Too bad.

Which doesn't logically make sense, since supposedly most trans people are gay and autistic who aren't interested in women, which is another on going narrative that is often brought up in gender critical boards. And not to mention trans people are a small population. So there are two different narratives there. One claiming most trans identified men are predatory toward women, another saying most of them were feminine gay. autistic men. Given the small number, both can't make up the majority. So one of these narratives is either a lie, or greatly exaggerated.

At least this one appears to be alive.

Blimey. You really seem to not be well informed.

A male person who enters a female single sex provision can be removed. In workplace situations, there can be negative repercussions to that male person for that action.

Please, just use the toilet that is designated for your sex. Gender identity is irrelevant to accessing female single sex spaces because female people with transgender identities should be accessing those provisions.