Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

[Theboredpanda]

I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

I get what you mean in the sense that to be a trans woman always requires some level of reducing the reality of female existence into an outfit/costume of physical or cultural signifiers that a man can adopt, but I fear your post is going to be widely [deliberately?] misinterpreted and I don't think that will be helpful so I have reported it.

I think the key words there are 'one of the ways...' Other ways are available, and should be respected. It's clear from the posts here that the majority do not agree with the OP, and I suspect he knew that from the start and it's part of whatever game he's playing.

I'm still bwahahahaing at the idea that a common female sex fantasy is to have bigger tits 😂😂😂

It's like that time RMW assured the world that we arrange ourselves in social hierarchicies based on breast size 😖

If only he knew the scenarios we really fantasise about! Ah well. Poor lad.

Oh god, I'd forgotten about RMW's Hierarchy of Boobage 😆

Seriously? Even most ordinary men don't think this let alone one who claims he IS a woman. I assume also that he believes the larger breasted are the elite class of woman. Because that's how men would categorise us. SMDH

That was Debbie Hayton. Unless RMW did it too (wouldn't surprise me).

Ah, thank you for the correction.

If that was actually the case, I'd be pretty near top dog at 32G, my bras would be comfortable, and getting clothes that fit properly would be easy.

I havent RTFT - somebody has explained fetishistic paraphilias to the OP, I take it?

Must have missed this thread but no, women are not part of your sexual fantasy. Go and find something else to thrap over.

Oh yes.

But apparently it was all an experiment by the OP to prove that both sides are as close minded as each other.

And despite professing to be extremely open minded, the OP wasn't actually open minded enough to appreciate having her ar$e handed to her, and flounced.

The fetishistic desire of some men to present as women (AGP) is one of the best studied phenomena in human sexuality. There is an enormous quantity of data and and case studies. It was measured in various ways, including 'phallometric' arousal and the results were highly consistent and coherent:

• It was see across all studied transgender male populations
• In heterosexual transwomen (straight men) the prevalence was very high, ~80%.
• In homosexual transwomen (gay men) it was very low, ~20%
• In homosexual transmen (lesbian women) it was essentially 0%
• With heterosexual nontrans women (straight women) it was 0%

Crossing dressing fetishes behaved as other fetishes do, including the inability of the fetish subject to become aroused without the fetish fantasy.

Arguments against the existence AGP, which when use clinically was a value neutral word, always revolve around conflating it with ordinary concern for appearance, something that sexologists took great care in differentiating it from.

if there's a serious doubt of whether its real phenomena, and the degree to which it can be separated from the ordinary way in which women view their body that argument should be specifically made.

Perhaps the thing that needs explaining to OP is the difference between "being open minded" amd "suppressing scientifically researched knowledge when it is inconvenient to someone's irrational belief system"

It is ok to refuse to entertain ideas that 2+2=5 or that black=white too. That doesn't make someone "closed minded"

Oh, I see. Ta!

Thats a shame.

If you are about at all, OP, may I suggest you go and seek out some cross dressing men, or some of the self professed AGPs, and have a good long chat with them. They have even written books about it.

Thanks for those figures, although I'm not sure I'd describe 20% as very low.

Maybe this will help the OP

https://x.com/_crymiariver/status/1898833163553546516?s=46

“Autogynephilia is a paraphilia in which a man is aroused by the fantasy of becoming a woman.

One subtype of autogynephilia is physiologic autogynephilia: being aroused by the fantasy of having female bodily functions such as menstruation, pregnancy, and lactation.

Therefore, autogynephilic men who "breastfeed" infants are using an innocent child as a prop in their paraphilic fantasy.

So sure, modern medicine has the capability to induce lactation in men, but no decent society would allow it.”

Are you assuming that men who wear dresses are more inclined to being predators? Because that would be a very odd thing for 'gender critical' people to do. There are very mixed messages being sent when it goes from "It's okay for men and boys to wear dresses" to "Men who wear dresses are weirdos, likely pedo's". Sending the message to men and boys that it's okay to assume some ill intent based on dress sense is the sort of thing that would influence some gender non conforming boys to possibly wish they were girls instead, which in turn could cause them to think they are trans.

Why would you take people being trans as a commentary on womanhood? I don't think most of them are telling you how to dress or that you have to be one way or the other. It's pretty egotistical to make other people's traumas somehow about yourself.

Was the enhancement from how the clothing looked, or how it felt? They aren't the same thing.

Some are predators and AGPs. Not all, but some. And you wonder why we don't want these males in our intimate female only spaces (sensitivity mode activated, click to see pictures):

It's pretty egotistical to make other people's traumas somehow about yourself.

Wow. The irony! All trans does, is culturally appropriate another group's oppression. Women, Jewish people, people in Iran. Gay people. You name it, trans say they are more oppressed than anyone, ever. Trans thrives on other people's trauma, then appropriates it.

So you're saying that boys hearing that cross-dressing men are likely to be dangerous to women will make them want to cross-dress? Well, it's certainly a point of view. I think you might want to look at what crimes men who want to be seen as women have been imprisoned for. As at 2024, 70% of them were serving sentences for violent crime and sex offences. Campaigners say that's not relevant because most transgender people live blame free lives. There again, so do most people across the sexual spectrum!