"A woman who is trans"

[AllThisFuss]

I've been noticing this terminology creeping in. Just thought I might highlight it, so we can keep up to date with their ever-changing attempts to control language and muddy the waters. Have you seen any in the wild?

IndiaWilloughby
‪@indiawilloughby.bsky.social‬
Not a mention of the woman who’s trans, who did nothing wrong. This ruling is in direct conflict with the Gender Recognition Act. How is this happening? It is wrong on every level, and will be used to push trans people even further out of society and into danger

That is a discussion about male single sex provisions. It is not a discussion about female single sex provisions.

Discussion about female single sex provisions involves a unique and different discussion regarding safeguarding. And on the axis of the oppression of female people based on their female bodies.

Your point is irrelevant to access to female single sex provisions. Did you believe it was exactly a symmetrical situation?

Erm no. This is the wrong way round. You aren't a woman who is trans. You are a man who is trans.

I have not inferred you are sexual deviant.

I have stated clearly that any male person accessing a female single sex provision knowing that some female people do not consent is quite clearly a male person ignoring female people’s lack of consent. That doesn’t mean you are a sexual deviant. That is a misunderstanding on your part.

You clearly do not understand the concept of consent though.

Did you believe it was exactly a symmetrical situation?

Of course he did. Just more evidence that he is completely unaware of how different women's experiences are from his.

Yes. This.

It shows a distinct lack of understanding the female experience and our oppression to believe that there is symmetry in the situation.

Yep.

It is not a gotcha at all. And it is just another version of the ‘Whatabout transmen?’argument.

Plenty of women have preferred to align with patriarchy than fight it. It's easier to gain status that way, as long as you don't slip, and as long as noone decides to push you out for their own purposes.

Trans men are bought into the same sexist ideas that you are: that "man" and "woman" are types of personality.

And sexist people will always follow the definitions made by men. To patriarchy Man is a subject, has experiences, is self defining, has agency; woman is an object who has no inner self but is defined by man's observation of her; a vessel for him to make meaning of. Twas ever thus.

She is not likely to pass and she will know that ( even if is she uses testosterone and likley gain extra body mods which alter some of the superficial indications of sex)

Is it a unique male perspective to know her entry puts her in danger in a way she would not be in female spaces?

I’m not aware that anyone has implied you are a sexual deviant.

You’re certainly deviating from the social contract that men stay out of women’s spaces, and breaking the law by entering them, an entry that by your own admission is by deliberate deception.

By you knowingly entering a female only space as a male you are laying yourself open to accusations of voyeurism and potentially indecent exposure.

So whilst I would reiterate that I haven’t seen you accused on here of being a sexual deviant, your behaviour exposes you to exactly that accusation. Whatever you believe about yourself in your head makes no difference to material reality and the law.

Err no try reread her point.

The fact that you try to claim

Male choosing to go into a women only single sex space

=
Female choosing to go into a men only single sex space.

If the acts were equal there would be no need for any single sex spaces

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A man cannot become "a woman from being trans", in much the same way that Rachel Dolezal cannot become a Black/African woman like me because she put on a curly wig, darker makeup and changed her name to Nkechi Diallo.

There is a difference between a man and a fully transitioned trans woman, and I’m sure you can see the difference as well

What is the exact difference?

Choosing to have extreme body modification doesn’t change a person’s sex at all. A male person with any extreme body modification is a male person with an extreme body modification.

So, what is the difference exactly?

You have to laugh really. The male entitlement and arrogance that drips from these threads demolishes every hollow claim these men make to be ‘living as women.’

These men love to dress it up (pun intended) as some great existential debate, with the usual whataboutery, appeals to kindness, mangling of language and some scolding thrown in.

It’s just men; blokes, fellas, geezers, who’ve been emboldened over the past few years to do/say in public that which was previously part of their private lives.

Unbelievably they found a voice, Stonewall, and before you could say half a head of highlights there were rainbow painted police cars and a Prime Minister stammering over what a woman was.

And now, after last April’s ruling, these men who’ve become the most protected group in the UK are still crying that they can’t leave their house, or live their life. Why? Because they heard a f*ing massive NO and the tantrum can’t stop.

Well tough luck, the gig’s up, be happy you had a few years in the sun. The real victims here are the children and young adults, mainly girls, caught up in this social contagion. Families torn apart, bodies ruined, all so ‘Sarah Jane’ Baker can scream to his adoring crowd in London to punch a f*ing terf in the face when you see one.

I was lying about the bit where I said you had to laugh really.

I love your rage its fucking great

What difference?

Is a woman a surgically altered male? Wearing make up? Who’s grown his hair, maybe dyed it blonde? Is it his clothes? The shoes maybe?

A man who’s done all the above is a man who’s done all the above. You can use the newly invented word trans woman to try and make it seem like he’s a woman, some sort of sub set.

But no. He’s just a man.

@ThatOpalTurtle I agree there is a difference between a man (or a manly man like Pete the plumber) and a man who wants people to think he is a woman, lets say Petra.

Petra wants to invade women's spaces, Pete would not.

😄😄 I’m actually one of the calmest people you could probably meet. But this issue is like a fire that’s been ignited and just has to be extinguished.

The sheer stupidity, the transparency, the fools it’s made of people I previously liked and admired, both personally and in public life.

It’s utter madness, and I feel the world won’t tilt back on it’s axis until we can laugh at what the Supreme Court had to rule on.

There won’t be a reckoning, nobody will be held accountable, people will lie and say they never thought TWAW but it will be OVER.

As you were 😁

The whole pattern of discussion is to find an acceptable mechanism to bypass female people’s consent.

Whether it is any of the emotionally manipulative tactics or it is any of the intimidation tactics that we often see. It is about bypassing female people’s consent in a way that they can feel justified.

There is no justification though.

When it comes to the surgery question- What is the difference with a male person having to use hormones for treatment for illness and having had their penis and testes removed due to injury or disease, and one who elects to have extreme body modification for identity choices?

The only difference is effort taken to change presentation. A man without a penis remains a man and hardly any want to have it chopped off.

You may have chosen to but it doesn't make you any closer to being a woman than a big, hairy arsed fella who sees himself as a very manly man.

100%

It’s like telling a young child to go to bed and them coming up with 53 reasons why they shouldn’t have to.

It’s interesting to observe the arc, how they moved from one tactic to another. It’s quite stomach churning when you compare it to the well trodden path that dangerous men use to coerce/force women to do things against their will.

It’s basically the same switching between say good cop/bad cop, or I’ve asked nicely but now you’re just being difficult, or I know you don’t want this so I’m just going to take what I want by force.

This is why we’ve always known, and always will know, exactly who are the women and who are the men.

I noticed early on that women are generally far more well informed and articulate on this issue than man who claim to be women. My take is that these men assumed they’d steamroller us and we’d give in because …. well, they were men. We on the other hand saw just how dangerous this movement was to us as women, and knew that, as usual, we’d have to be at the top of our game to retain what is rightfully and legally ours.

“You don’t know anything about me or my actions apart from what you’ve assumed.”

The thing is, strong safeguarding policy means no one needs to know anything about you or your motivations to keep female people from the harm from male people. Because strong safeguarding policy will exclude all male people above the age of about 8 years old.

Regardless of who they are, what medical decisions they have made, what their motivation could be. No special exceptions for any sub group of people of the male sex category to be allowed for access as a user of a female single sex provision.

A male person could be the most lovely man in the world and wouldn’t hurt anyone. He still should never be using the female single sex provisions.

And there is the clipity clock of the hoofs of the pedophiles riding within and on the back of trans rights activism.

They did it in the gay rights movement.

and people did see it at the time as did i .

Do we know who has fully transitioned, part transitioned or not transitioned at all?

Does India Willoughby look fully transitioned? To me he looks the same as he did pre his 'transition' just different hair and clothes.

Has eddie izzard fully transitioned? When will we know?